Are labor supply and freedom related?

[Lawrence of Arabia]

Better have a rich daddy and hope to God for capitalism to remain.

whys that? im giving to my ability and taking for my need. rich daddy has nothing to do with that.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Lawrence of Arabia


whys that? im giving to my ability and taking for my need. rich daddy has nothing to do with that.

You're not sure about that, are you?

[Kidlicious]

Berzerker,

Obviously you don't expect anyone to read that. Sometimes I wonder why you bother to make such posts.

[Berzerker]

Kid -

About the planners, yes, there is the possibilities for corruption. That's a political problem, not an economics problem.

But you condemn capitalism - an economic system - for these political problems.

It's only exploitation by the state if the state is corrupt.

Nice double standard, if the state pays me a fee to fix cars, that's okay if the state isn't corrupt (yeah, states are rarely corrupt). But if my neighbor pays me to fix his car, then that is exploitation...... Because my neighbor is corrupt?

Appearantly you think that it would be moral for Berzerker to require that I work for him since he 'owned' the island.

Kid, imagine my hypothetical of you and me alone in the world. If you build yourself a life and I walk up and start grabbing your things, would you really call me moral? Of course not, so why is it moral for you to walk up and start grabbing things from my island?

Nope, just freedom from those who would impose rule over us. Isn't that freedom?

You wouldn't be imposing rule over us? Sounds like you have most of my economic life firmly in the grasp of Kidocracy. Freedom is the absence of coercion or constraint on choice or action. You have plenty of constraints waiting to be imposed on me under your ideology.

Corruption is never ok. That doesn't mean that a usage fee us corrupt or exploitive. It would be only in the case where some one in the govt were using it for their own personal purposes, and that's a specific, unrelated case.

What if they do it for your purposes?

There's no ruler if everyone is equal. Rulers are those who impose a system for their own benefit, not the benefit of everyone.

No rulers under Communism? Castro ring a bell? How does Communsim benefit everyone? Seems like just about every communist system rose to power by spilling lots of blood.

[Berzerker]

Obviously you don't expect anyone to read that. Sometimes I wonder why you bother to make such posts.

My posts would shorten if you debugged your program before presenting it here for analysis.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Berzerker
Kid, imagine my hypothetical of you and me alone in the world. If you build yourself a life and I walk up and start grabbing your things, would you really call me moral? Of course not, so why is it moral for you to walk up and start grabbing things from my island?

To survive and be my own man. And why not? If you want to exploit me then screw you. If you want me to die, then screw you too.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Berzerker


My posts would shorten if you debugged your program before presenting it here for analysis.

If you had a good point, you wouldn't need such long winded posts.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Berzerker


My posts would shorten if you debugged your program before presenting it here for analysis.

btw, I didn't present my program here for analysis. There's a topic here remember. You're just using this opportunity to push your morality on me, and very relentlessly I might say. More relentlessly than I prefer to tolerate actually.

[Berzerker]

Kid -

To survive and be my own man. And why not? If you want to exploit me then screw you. If you want me to die, then screw you too.

Can you just address the question in my hypothetical? Would I be moral if I walked up and started grabbing the stuff you made? And why would I want you to die? I'd want you to leave and would even give you a ride to a neighboring island.

If you had a good point, you wouldn't need such long winded posts.

I can't have good points to counter your bad points? The point being that all I'm doing is responding to you, so if my posts are longwinded, it's because A) you have a highly flawed ideology B) your longwinded C) both.

btw, I didn't present my program here for analysis.

Where do you think you are?

There's a topic here remember. You're just using this opportunity to push your morality on me, and very relentlessly I might say. More relentlessly than I prefer to tolerate actually.

That's just my nature, I was born to exploit people. Oops, I'm one of the exploited... No wait...Umm... is there a third option?

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Kidicious
If you had a good point, you wouldn't need such long winded posts.

Or if you didn't have so many bad points.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Berzerker
Kid -

Can you just address the question in my hypothetical? Would I be moral if I walked up and started grabbing the stuff you made? And why would I want you to die? I'd want you to leave and would even give you a ride to a neighboring island.

Yes. If you would read my short posts you would know that I've already stated that it would be wrong to take the things that you made. It would not be wrong though to use the island to provide for myself.

Why don't you just accept that I'm not going to accept your morality?

[Berzerker]

Hehe... But I did make a long post above on p2 since I was trying to catch up from page 1 material Kid provided. He's just getting whooped by several people here and getting upset.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Berzerker
Hehe... But I did make a long post above on p2 since I was trying to catch up from page 1 material Kid provided. He's just getting whooped by several people here and getting upset.

You used 2 pages to tell us that you have a different morality than I do. Congratulations! That's what I told you when you started this moral crusade. As for as 'whooping' someone, it's more like irritating.

[Berzerker]

Yes. If you would read my short posts you would know that I've already stated that it would be wrong to take the things that you made.

Perhaps you mis-read my question because that seems contradictory. You said yes meaning it would be moral and then your explanation says it would be wrong. I'll assume the explanation is what you meant. So, why is it okay under your ideology?

It would not be wrong though to use the island to provide for myself.

I bought the island from someone, remember? That means time out of my life was spent acquiring the resources to buy it. If you claim "co-ownership" of the island you are claiming co-ownership of the time I spent acquiring the resources (money, labor) to buy the island.
You see an island and I see all those years I spent making money to buy it.

Why don't you just accept that I'm not going to accept your morality?

Some day the light in your head will go on, I'm just here to flip the switch.

[Berzerker]

You used 2 pages to tell us that you have a different morality than I do. Congratulations! That's what I told you when you started this moral crusade. As for as 'whooping' someone, it's more like irritating.

Did it take you 2 pages to agree? And I said you were upset, so that isn't news.