Feeling up women's private parts to fight terrorism

[Sirotnikov]

Even in police states like former USSR, North Korea etc this kind of outrageous attack on individual privacy and freedom let alone the open hatred from the officials towards you as a foreigner would have been totally out of the question.

No, they'd simply bug your phones, trail you with special agents and interrogate every person you spoke to.

Saying that is better than getting thoroughly checked in an airport is idiotic.

Wanting to make a huge scene over it at an airport is even more idiotic.

The policing measures are not there to humiliate and terrorize you. They're there to make you secure. That way you know that a person who carries a bomb / concealed weapon has very small chances of slipping through.


I visited the prime minister's chambers once, and even though I was an IDF soldier, responsible for Israel's security, with high security clearance, I was almost completely stripped, felt up and checked from head to toe.

It wasn't the most pleasant thing to go through, but I realize its a necessity. The Shabak person who checked me was very nice about it and even joked a little.

I could have been a ***** and say I'm humiliated and hurt and I don't like men touching me and all sorts of stuff.

But its required to keep people safe.

[Chemical Ollie]

My freedom to bring my pocket knife on the plane

[Kidlicious]

I agree with some others here. They don't have to fly, even if they have business.

[laurentius]

Originally posted by Winston
laurentius,

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Oh not at all, you see theres the button you can click that automatically forwds you to the desired destination. And completely without the wait too!

Anyway, uh....what can I say. Okay I obviously didnt see the symbolism behing Oerdins magic number. Still as a reply to a longish post such as mine it really bears the marks of a GODWINS LAW. What exactly do those hijackings have to do with all this. As other people such as Chemical Ollie suggested it is still easy to blow up a plane. All you need is the surprise factor and some imagination...

To follow Winstons and Oerdins logic there should be complete security checks in railway stations as well because of the Madrid Bombings. To further follow this logic the checks should be done before the people enter the station, or any crowded place. Hell, security "groping" should be done to you everytime you get out of your house, this way everyone can be sure you dont have a bomb in your backpack.

So lets face it, if someone really wants to kill people, there is no way of preventing it. We just have to face the possibility of death every time we wake up. Not to lose you mind, its better to forget this undesired prospect and accept the fact that sometimes you win, sometimes you lose.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Kidicious
I agree with some others here. They don't have to fly, even if they have business.

No one is saying we shouldn't be searched. We're saying don't grab us and humiliate us in front of others.

[Dinner]

Che: Some people are so sensitive that they will claim any sort of search is a humiliation. Screw them. Let the searches be completed as professionally as possible and let the whiners stop complaining. You know those people would be the first to complain about safety should a terrorist get through the security screen.

[chequita guevara]

Maybe so, but you don't have to be strip searched in public nor should you be groped. As the article says, the search is supposed to be done with the back of the hand.

Anyway, a passanger airliner will never be used as a weapon again. That was a one time thing. No passangers are going to allow themselves to be used that way.

[laurentius]

Originally posted by Sirotnikov

Even in police states like former USSR, North Korea etc this kind of outrageous attack on individual privacy and freedom let alone the open hatred from the officials towards you as a foreigner would have been totally out of the question.

No, they'd simply bug your phones, trail you with special agents and interrogate every person you spoke to.

You missed my point. Here I tried to say that even the most oppressive and totalitarian police states in the history honoured foreign citizens rights. I'm not going to start about their own citizens rights or people spying at you. A physical violation is a completely different thing from a phone tapping.

Saying that is better than getting thoroughly checked in an airport is idiotic.

Wanting to make a huge scene over it at an airport is even more idiotic.

You know sometimes its good to make a scene out of these things. We have a right to protest, how else would our voice be heard?

The policing measures are not there to humiliate and terrorize you. They're there to make you secure. That way you know that a person who carries a bomb / concealed weapon has very small chances of slipping through.

I disagree. Chemical Ollie just provided excellent examples of non conventional ways of smuggling explosives into a plane. Surely in the Mossad/FSB/CIA people are trained to smuggle all kinds of stuff through security checks.

I visited the prime minister's chambers once, and even though I was an IDF soldier, responsible for Israel's security, with high security clearance, I was almost completely stripped, felt up and checked from head to toe.

It wasn't the most pleasant thing to go through, but I realize its a necessity. The Shabak person who checked me was very nice about it and even joked a little.

I could have been a ***** and say I'm humiliated and hurt and I don't like men touching me and all sorts of stuff.

But its required to keep people safe.

Thats hardly the same thing as going to an aeroplane is it. And besides its probably a standard in most countries, and especially important in your country.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara


No one is saying we shouldn't be searched. We're saying don't grab us and humiliate us in front of others.

I personally don't care if it were to be in front of people or not, I wouldn't fly. I'll take the train, and if they start those searches on the trains I'll rent a car.

[chequita guevara]

I've gotten tired of the day long drive back to Chicago. I'm gonna fly.

[laurentius]

Originally posted by Oerdin
Che: Some people are so sensitive that they will claim any sort of search is a humiliation. Screw them. Let the searches be completed as professionally as possible and let the whiners stop complaining. You know those people would be the first to complain about safety should a terrorist get through the security screen.

YEaah!11

We are the americans!1 Screw thew others and the different ways they might react to something that is completely normal to us. I dont care you you like having cavity searches done to you but I dont like people tickling my G-spot.

You know why there wasnt much crime in the USSR? Maybe you should start building those good old "re-education" camps to be sure everyone is as harmless as you..

[MrFun]

Originally posted by Last Conformist

Last I heard, the USA was still not the USSR - people are free to quit their jobs.

Choosing between disruption of one's economic security and well-being or having your private body parts violated.



So you which one would you choose then?

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
I've gotten tired of the day long drive back to Chicago. I'm gonna fly.

I can't stand to be searched like that. It's something that really bothers me.

[Dinner]

Originally posted by laurentius
We are the americans!1 Screw thew others and the different ways they might react to something that is completely normal to us. I dont care you you like having cavity searches done to you but I dont like people tickling my G-spot.

If you would read the article instead of becoming hysterical you'd learn that there were no "cavity searches" or checking of "g-spots". Instead people were patted down just like the police do in any arrest.

Che is right that proper proceedures must be followed but claiming a pat down is the same as a cavity search is just assinine.

[Dinner]

Originally posted by Kidicious


I can't stand to be searched like that. It's something that really bothers me.

Then take Amtrak or the bus or drive yourself. I suppose you could even take a boat or get your own pilot's licence and fly yourself.