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  • Why was the classical West so far behind in religious/spiritual development?

    Why were the Western religions so much farther behind from the East in development?

    The exception of this is the Jews, a very small minority. They had a very complex, ethical monotheism that was very spiritual and very different from the pagans. Jesus came and with his reform movement and created Christianity, which became the main religion of the western world. But this came from Judaism, which is the one exception I am speaking of.

    As for the rest of the Western world, they hadn't developed anything beyond simple paganism. People made sacrifices in the manner of a business transaction, they did it in order to gain something worldly and keep the wrath of the Gods away. There was no type of spirituality or any notion of ethics.

    The East on the other hand, was far more advanced. Thousands of years before Christ, a great religion arose in India. Because it was an institutionalized religion, it was corrupted, and the practices of the common Indian were not as advanced or spiritual as the ideal. But they had fascinated ideas on metaphysics, and the religion was extremely spiritual (much more than Judaism).

    Then of course there was the reform movement that created another great religion, which had an even stronger code of ethics and was intensely spiritual.

    On top of that, the Chinese had been believing in heaven for thousands of years and with Confucianism created a religion with a stronger, more detailed code of ethics than any religion on the planet. And besides that its philosophies enabled the largest nation ever to be a powerful, united empire for thousands of years, and for its society to hold together and change little. Even with western cultural hegemony, and years of trying to stamp it out, Confucianism still survives.

    And, the Chinese also developed Taoism, another religion with a strong ethical code that was very spiritual and had some fascinating philosophies.

    So, at the time of Jesus, the majority of the West had no sense of ethics or spirituality, yet the East had 4 major religions that were extremely developed in those categories. In fact, the only Western religion that was past the baby steps of paganism, could not compare to any of the four eastern religions in size, influence, complexity, philosophy, metaphysics, ethics, or spirituality.

    Then of course came Jesus and Mohammed, and the West finally produced religions that rivaled the East. But it took a long time, and neither were nearly as complex as the eastern religions. In these religions, you do good stuff, and you go to heaven, you do bad stuff, and you go to hell. Yet one could spend lifetimes studying the metaphysics and philosophies of the Hindus.

    Is there any explanation for this?
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    Westerners are barbarians.
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    • #3
      Originally posted by Comrade Tassadar
      Westerners are barbarians.
      what he said

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      • #4
        Tass has it right.
        Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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        • #5
          I always assumed Hinduism was just a more developed paganism. I didn't think they got really all that philosophical until Buddism came along.
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          • #6


            Because the west had Greek philosophy.
            Only feebs vote.

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            • #7
              but what's so bad about polythesium anyways?

              It works well in the dungeon and dragons environment. multiple gods are cool.

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              • #8
                Greek philosophy was monotheistic. The Platonists, Stoics and Peripatetics all believed in one God. The traditional Greek gods were for the idiots to believe in.

                The Epicureans thought that the Gods couldn't care less about us.
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                • #9
                  I'm not convinced Judaism was all that advanced.

                  Addressing the larger question though, the west was primarily composed of Indo-Europeans who were for the most part Johnny-come-lately to civilization. Their societies and religions were based on simpler more diverse concepts which were easily supported without writing or specialist religious bureacracies such as those often seen in Mesopotamia, Egypt and India.

                  Where they came as conquerors they often were greatly influenced by more advanced religions. In Britain and Ireland the Celts almost certainly developed Druidism from the religious traditions of the indigenous population. Hinduism was greatly influenced by the indigenous spiritual practices of the native population of India despite the rather stringent attempts by the Aryans to maintain their race and culture amongst a sea of natives. Persia likewise was influenced greatly by religions in Mesopotamia, the Middle East and India. Rome of course eventually adopted and then adapted Christianity to its own purposes.
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                  • #10
                    different paths of development ?

                    some peoples chose spiritualism. the classical western peoples chose pragmatism...
                    "Ceterum censeo Ben esse expellendum."

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                    • #11
                      I don't think it's a fair example. I consider the Celts in a similar vein philosophically to ancient Hindus (from whom came Buddhists) for instance. That the latter had a better economy is merely environmental.
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                      • #12
                        Then of course came Jesus and Mohammed, and the West finally produced religions that rivaled the East. But it took a long time, and neither were nearly as complex as the eastern religions. In these religions, you do good stuff, and you go to heaven, you do bad stuff, and you go to hell. Yet one could spend lifetimes studying the metaphysics and philosophies of the Hindus.

                        Is there any explanation for this?


                        Yeah. We're more pragmatic than they and while we have wasted billions of hours studying crap like how many angels dance on the head of a pin, that's not all that we have done... unlike the Easterners, we did spend some of our time developing a civilization that spans the globe and is capable of feeding billions.

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                        • #13
                          and is ruining the planet, killed more millions than any other have done before us,...

                          spiritualism (as in being in balance with your environment in every way) is not a bad thing you know

                          and if you see how many pagan elements are incorporated in the christian religion you'll see that we are not that unspiritual at all ...
                          we just chose to forget it.
                          "Ceterum censeo Ben esse expellendum."

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                          • #14
                            You could consider the West more developed, because they developed philosophy independent of religion while other groups were still mucking about with theology.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by dannubis
                              and is ruining the planet, killed more millions than any other have done before us,...

                              spiritualism (as in being in balance with your environment in every way) is not a bad thing you know

                              and if you see how many pagan elements are incorporated in the christian religion you'll see that we are not that unspiritual at all ...
                              we just chose to forget it.
                              So, you're claiming that environmental and health conditions in India and China exceed that of the West?

                              And that's about a whack definition of "spiritualism" as I've ever read.

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