Remember the nutballs who burned down HUMMER dealerships?

[General Ludd]

Originally posted by Azazel
Well, General Ludd, may be correct. However, I can extrapolate to have your povs on that as well. Like that entire "blind people aren't disabled" discussion we had way back.

That's not quite what I was arguing.

I was arguing that, too a person born a blind, blindness is not a disability.

[Az]

And I argued that this pov is a steaming pile of ****.

But not now. I've got to get up in 4 hours to get myself educated, and all that jazz.

[laurentius]

Originally posted by Azazel
Well, General Ludd, may be correct. However, I can extrapolate to have your povs on that as well. Like that entire "blind people aren't disabled" discussion we had way back.

Laurentius:

Well, with all due respect you seemed a bit delusional for a moment there. You see I never said there "werent any disabled people". All I said was that this thing is not something we should label as a "disability". These people are an asset to us, not a burden.

I'm not aware of any past "blind people arent disabled" discussion here. The aspergers arent disabled like the blinds here, they just are very very naive and easy to fool when it comes to relationships and communication with people. I'm sure you understand this when you have learned to have some respect to people who arent "Alpha-males". Dont be a fool here.

[loinburger]

Originally posted by laurentius
And I guess you will be the judge of this "common sence".

Common sense would indicate that if the majority of Americans were medicated then this would be easy to prove using any set of statistics that you like.

As it stands, the most pessimistic estimates indicate that 20% of Americans suffer from mental health disorders. Even if we took your sociological-expertise-laden-water induced assumptions to their limit and concluded that 40-odd million Americans really are suffering from mental health disorders, and if we also concluded that all 40-odd million Americans are also being medicated for their disorders, then we still fall short of your jackasseriffic "most Americans pop pills to escape reality" stereotype.

Face it, you cant cope with the reality without your pills.

For somebody who's defending those with one particular mental abnormality, you're being pretty goddamned offensive to those with any other kind of mental abnormality.

[laurentius]

Originally posted by loinburger

Common sense would indicate that if the majority of Americans were medicated then this would be easy to prove using any set of statistics that you like.

As it stands, the most pessimistic estimates indicate that 20% of Americans suffer from mental health disorders. Even if we took your sociological-expertise-laden-water induced assumptions to their limit and concluded that 40-odd million Americans really are suffering from mental health disorders, and if we also concluded that all 40-odd million Americans are also being medicated for their disorders, then we still fall short of your jackasseriffic "most Americans pop pills to escape reality" stereotype.

The actual percentafe of people suffering from mental disorders has very little to do with the percentage of american counter-wise eating these drugs.....

[Jon Miller]

those are the numbers of people who might be being diagnosed with mental health disorders

and therefore getting the drugs

doctors don't give the drugs out to people they don't think might have a disorder

Jon Miller

[laurentius]

In US maybe. What about Mexico or Canada?

[laurentius]

So is this whole discussion coming down to the point that I perhaps should have used "many" instead of "most"...meh

[loinburger]

Originally posted by laurentius
The actual percentafe of people suffering from mental disorders has very little to do with the percentage of american counter-wise eating these drugs.....

You're right -- the actual percentage is much lower than 20%. In fact, antidepressants comprised approximately 4% of all drug mentions (prescriptions) in 2002. No other mood-altering drug even made the list. Like I said, 20% is the most pessimistic estimate.

Now, do you have any statistics to back up your ridiculous claims? Or do you still think that your idiotic stereotyping counts as hard evidence?

[Jon Miller]

ok

so they think that there might be as many as 20%

they also assuredly think that some (probably most) are not being treated (I would think that most are not being treated)

therefore, the actual number of those getting treated is far less than 20%

and mexico and canada are none factors

Jon Miller

[Jon Miller]

if it helps any, I don't know anyone who is on antidepressents right now

Jon Miller

[loinburger]

Originally posted by laurentius
So is this whole discussion coming down to the point that I perhaps should have used "many" instead of "most"...meh

Don't be such a weasel.

Originally posted by Jon Miller
if it helps any, I don't know anyone who is on antidepressents right now

It's not exactly something that most people would advertise to just anybody, which is why I find it hard to believe that laurentius can know or even naively guess at how many Americans are taking psychiatric medication. Maybe he's been rooting through everybody's trash to find their discarded medicine bottles.

[Traianvs]

SUV's are evil. I absolutely sympathize with the dude.
They should be banned. Those cars aren't made for everyday traffic ffs, they're tanks.

In reality, only 5 percent of SUVs are ever taken off-road (1), and the vast majority of these vehicles are used for everyday driving. And there are a lot of them on the roads. In 1985, SUVs accounted for only 2 percent of new vehicle sales. (2). SUVs now account for one in four new vehicles sold(3), and sales continue to climb.

The federal corporate average fuel economy (CAFE) standards set the fuel economy goals for new passenger cars at 27.5 miles per gallon (mpg). But under the law, SUVs are not considered cars - they are characterized as light trucks. Light trucks only have to achieve 20.7 mpg. It should be noted that this is an average for all light trucks, which is why it is possible to have SUVs on the road that only achieve 12 mpg. In fact, some SUV, like the massive Ford Excursion, are so large that they no longer qualify as "light trucks," and are not subject to any kind of fuel economy standards.

Especially hummers are evil

[loinburger]

Originally posted by laurentius
perhaps some isrelis are using as much medicine as the average american

Emphasis mine. It may be relatively simple for you to weasel out of "most" by claiming that you meant "many" (it's much easier to defend an insult when you keep it sufficiently vague), but "average" is a bit more difficult.

[laurentius]

Originally posted by loinburger
It's not exactly something that most people would advertise to just anybody, which is why I find it hard to believe that laurentius can know or even naively guess at how many Americans are taking psychiatric medication. Maybe he's been rooting through everybody's trash to find their discarded medicine bottles.

"As use of SSRIs becomes more commonplace, some mental health experts have tried to sound a cautionary note. They worry that a growing population of Americans is medicating what are really just normal variations in temperament."

http://www.healthyplace.com/Communities/Anxiety/news/antidepressants_for_stress_2.asp

"Over the last twenty years, the increase in the number of people using antidepressants has reached an all time high. According to one study published in The Journal of the American Medical Association the percentage of Americans being treated for depression more than doubled from the late 80's to the late 90's. Due to a higher awareness of symptoms and treatments, researchers found patients were almost five times more likely to be treated with antidepressants in 1997 as they were back in 1987. Undoubtedly, that number is even higher in 2004."

http://www.americaninsurancedepot.com/HealthBuilders/drymouth.htm

"Most people who seek treatment for depression would not meet the entry criteria for a study of antidepressant drugs yet these same patients often get prescriptions for the very same medications, researchers said Thursday.

The study has some psychiatrists raising questions about possible overuse of antidepressants.

Dr. Mark Zimmerman, of Brown University School of Medicine in Providence, said in general, study criteria would exclude 86 percent of depressed patients treated in a typical clinical practice."

http://www.namiscc.org/newsletters/February02/AntiDepressants.htm

Wake up dude, your doped.