Ukraine

[Serb]

Originally posted by Odin


Yep, everyone who hates Mother Russia is a Nazi, is that what they taught you in you grade school history classes or is it from the propaganda in your so called "news"?

Nope.
Everyone who makes statements like "country X for people of X nationality" (just like you did) is the nazi by definition.

And please shut the f*ck up about our news. You don't speak Russian, don't read Russian and don't watch our news. So, WTF could you know about our news?

[BlackCat]

Originally posted by Serb

Of course not. Russia has never occupied Ukraine. Ukraine and Russia was the same prior Mongol invasion. And it was Ukraine who peacefully and free-willingly joined Russia in 1654, not the other way around.

http://wrc.lingnet.org/ukrahis.htm

Russian inroads. In 1654, Ukrainian Cossacks chose a Russian offer for leadership over their lands, rather than continue Polish squabbles. In time, the Russian oversight became more authoritarian than that of Poland. Gradually, Ukraine became annexed into the Russian Empire. Many Russians consider 1654 as the "happy reunion" of Russia and Ukraine. Many Ukrainians view the date as the beginning of the fragmentation of their nation.

They may have joined, but does that mean that they cannot leave ? Especially if it seems that what looked like a resque was worse than that they fled from ?

"Russia ûber alles" and "Russia for Russians" or "Ukraine for Ukranians" are absolutely different things. The first is how any patriot should think, the second is how any nazi thinks.

Surely, the first are really nazi propaganda wheras the two others just state that people has the right to descide for themselves.

I still claim that you are a nazi.

[Odin]

Originally posted by Serb

Nope.
Everyone who makes statements like "country X for people of X nationality" (just like you did) is the nazi by definition.

And please shut the f*ck up about our news. You don't speak Russian, don't read Russian and don't watch our news. So, WTF could you know about our news?

I said that because you Russians still try to treat Ukrane as a vassal state, not an independent country. And your "news" is pro-Putin propaganda. I want EVIDENCE frome a legitamite news source that the west is messing with Ukraine.

[BlackCat]

Originally posted by Serb

Nope.
Everyone who makes statements like "country X for people of X nationality" (just like you did) is the nazi by definition.

Then you clearly don't know what nazism is.

And please shut the f*ck up about our news. You don't speak Russian, don't read Russian and don't watch our news. So, WTF could you know about our news?

BS. Lots of news published in russian are translated, if not all, so you cannot hide behind any languagebarrier.

[Serb]

Originally posted by BlackCat




They may have joined, but does that mean that they cannot leave ? Especially if it seems that what looked like a resque was worse than that they fled from ?

http://wrc.lingnet.org/ukrahis.htm

Russian inroads. In 1654, Ukrainian Cossacks chose a Russian offer for leadership over their lands, rather than continue Polish squabbles. In time, the Russian oversight became more authoritarian than that of Poland. Gradually, Ukraine became annexed into the Russian Empire. Many Russians consider 1654 as the "happy reunion" of Russia and Ukraine. Many Ukrainians view the date as the beginning of the fragmentation of their nation.

It comes from the source which spell Novogorod as NAHV-gah-raht ( I esp. liked this line- Novogorod (NAHV-gah-raht, a city 200 km south of present day St. Petersburg), like Novogorod doesn't exist now), Bogdan Khmelnitski as BORDEN Khmelnitsk, Chernobyl as chahr-NO-bahl, Genghis Khan as GENG-gah-SKAHN, etc., ect., ect. This article wrote for absolute dummies. If you cosider it as creditable source then you are...
Besides guess where the authors of this sh!t took their knowledge? From the article: (Background Notes: Ukraine, p. 2. Unless otherwise noted, the following quotes come from this U.S. State Department source).

Surely, the first are really nazi propaganda wheras the two others just state that people has the right to descide for themselves.

It's not a nazi propaganda it's the line from the German anthem. For any patriot its Motherland is above everything, even its own life. Motherland is the most precious value. On the other hand, statements like "country X for people of X nationality" do not state that people has the right to descide for themselves, as you suggest. They state that people who says so, believe in supremacy of their nationality over others= f*cking nazis.

I still claim that you are a nazi.

And I'm still calim that you are an
But don't worry, it can be fixed, stop reading such sh!tty sources (Genghis Khan (GENG-gah-SKAHN) ), and read some real books instead. And sooner or later you'll be Ok...perhaps.

[Serb]

Originally posted by BlackCat


Then you clearly don't know what nazism is.

Don't worry, I know what nazism is and i can smell a f*cking nazi a mile away.

BS. Lots of news published in russian are translated, if not all, so you cannot hide behind any languagebarrier.

Just don't tell me you or Odin actually read translated Russian news. You read what your news says about our news. It's not the same. It's called brainwashing.

[Serb]

Originally posted by Odin


I said that because you Russians still try to treat Ukrane as a vassal state, not an independent country.

You Americans treat whole world as your vassal. And you said that because you are nazi.

And your "news" is pro-Putin propaganda.

And your "news" is Emperor's George II propaganda brainwashing machine.

I want EVIDENCE frome a legitamite news source that the west is messing with Ukraine.

If you need any evidences, you missed whole Ukranian crisis, how it started and who started it.

[Odin]

Originally posted by Serb



It's not a nazi propaganda it's the line from the German anthem. For any patriot its Motherland is above everything, even its own life. Motherland is the most precious value. On the other hand, statements like "country X for people of X nationality" do not state that people has the right to descide for themselves, as you suggest. They state that people who says so, believe in supremacy of their nationality over others= f*cking nazis.

As I said before, I said "Ukraine for Ukrainians" because Lord God Putin treats Ukraine as a vassal.

[BlackCat]

Originally posted by Serb

It comes from the source which spell Novogorod as NAHV-gah-raht ( I esp. liked this line- Novogorod (NAHV-gah-raht, a city 200 km south of present day St. Petersburg), like Novogorod doesn't exist now), Bogdan Khmelnitski as BORDEN Khmelnitsk, Chernobyl as chahr-NO-bahl, Genghis Khan as GENG-gah-SKAHN, etc., ect., ect. This article wrote for absolute dummies. If you cosider it as creditable source then you are...
Besides guess where the authors of this sh!t took their knowledge? From the article: (Background Notes: Ukraine, p. 2. Unless otherwise noted, the following quotes come from this U.S. State Department source).

I can gurantee you that any attempt for ar russian to try to spell danish localities will have excattly the same problems, so i don't give a damn for your excuses based on bad spelling/pronounciacion.

Further, you claim that the source is invalid because some US institiution is involved. They are at least 8 years old, and my guess is that they didn't bother to do anything about the facts about what happend approx 350 years ago, so that point i still claim as valid.

It's not a nazi propaganda it's the line from the German anthem. For any patriot its Motherland is above everything, even its own life. Motherland is the most precious value. On the other hand, statements like "country X for people of X nationality" do not state that people has the right to descide for themselves, as you suggest. They state that people who says so, believe in supremacy of their nationality over others= f*cking nazis.

What are you talking about ? Nothing of this makes sense.

Actually you are claming that Motherland is the most important thing, but if that results in that you want to defend this country X, because it's your motherland, then you are a nazi ?

And I'm still calim that you are an
But don't worry, it can be fixed, stop reading such sh!tty sources (Genghis Khan (GENG-gah-SKAHN) ), and read some real books instead. And sooner or later you'll be Ok...perhaps.

As long as you are the only person to think i am an idiot, i take it very easy. About you, well, there are always hope.

[Serb]

Originally posted by BlackCat


I can gurantee you that any attempt for ar russian to try to spell danish localities will have excattly the same problems, so i don't give a damn for your excuses based on bad spelling/pronounciacion.

Since when Genghis Khan or GENG-gah-SKAHN, according to this article, is the name of Russian localities?

Just face it, this article have been wrote for absolute, total dummies. Their "facts" and their interpretation are plain wrong. It's a brainwashing bullsh!t.

Further, you claim that the source is invalid because some US institiution is involved. They are at least 8 years old, and my guess is that they didn't bother to do anything about the facts about what happend approx 350 years ago, so that point i still claim as valid.

Great logic.
So, if person X keep telling bullsh!t stories for years, all his bullsh!t automatically become true facts as long as this person is at least a 8 years old and do not bother to make any research regarding the subject of his BS stories?

What are you talking about ? Nothing of this makes sense.

Actually you are claming that Motherland is the most important thing, but if that results in that you want to defend this country X, because it's your motherland, then you are a nazi ?

1) Patriot loves his Motherland.
2) Nazi loves his nationality, consider himself as supreme being and treat people of other nationalities as inferior people, as crap.
3) By saying "Ukraine for Ukranians" or "Denmark for Danes" or something of that kind, you are not defending this country X. You proclaim that this country X should be populated by persons of X nationality ONLY, which means that others should be expelled, (wiped out, sloughtered, whatever). Therefore it's a 100% nazi slogan.

As long as you are the only person to think i am an idiot, i take it very easy. About you, well, there are always hope.

Looks like you are hopeless.

[Serb]

Originally posted by Odin


As I said before, I said "Ukraine for Ukrainians" because Lord God Putin treats Ukraine as a vassal.

What a pity excuses Mr. Guebels.

[Serb]

Bump.

Any news from Ukraineland?

[Heresson]

Of course not. Russia has never occupied Ukraine. Ukraine and Russia was the same prior Mongol invasion. And it was Ukraine who peacefully and free-willingly joined Russia in 1654, not the other way around.

Funny.
Ukrainians, as they started doing bad in an uprising against Poland, hang to the only hope, that is help from Russia. As soon as Poland offered them good sollution of our struggle (Ukraine as the third item of The Republic), they didn't want to be allies of yours anymore,
and later they hang to anyone - Poles, Turks, Swedes - to break free from You.
Why did Katherine II destroy the Sicz (the capital of Cossacks)? hmmmm
I guess it was an example of brotherly love of Russians towards the Ukrainians, right?

[Serb]

Sech was a capital? You mean it was a city?
I always thought that it was just a bunch of tents somewhere in the middle of the forest, populated mostly by bandits of all kind.

[Saras]

Adamkus is teh elder statesman, and no clown. And I did vote for him, after we impeached a lunatic president Paksas, whose election your special services so kindly financed.