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We can keep playing these little games or we can deal with the real reason the far left isn't playing well in the south. We need to dump the extremists pushing to ban nativity scenes in public parks and instead focus on the message of getting better health care for all Americans and better educations for their children. The truth is you can't do anything unless you win elections.Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.
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Originally posted by Oerdin
We can keep playing these little games or we can deal with the real reason the far left isn't playing well in the south. We need to dump the extremists pushing to ban nativity scenes in public parks and instead focus on the message of getting better health care for all Americans and better educations for their children. The truth is you can't do anything unless you win elections.
40 years ago, the GOP ran Barry Goldwater for president and got trounced in one of the worst defeats in US history (the popular vote was more lopsided that either Nixon-McGovern or Reagan-Mondale, iirc). Triumphant liberals proudly claimed that America just wasn't that right-wing, that Republicans were extremists, that the liberal consensus was here to stay and the GOP needed to accommodate it.
16 years later, Ronald Reagan was elected president. 8 years after that, Goldwater pronounced Reagan too conservative for his tastes.
16 years after [i[that[/i], we have a Republican president so conservative that he's capable of horrifying Reaganites (see my sig, for example).
Liberals don't have to moderate their "extremism," any more than the conservatives did. Instead, they need to imitate conservative tactics, and begin the hard work of moving from their ideologogy back from the margins to the center."I have as much authority as the pope. I just don't have as many people who believe it." — George Carlin
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Originally posted by Rufus T. Firefly
You know, you say this in every thread, and I think you need to be called on this bullsh!t.
40 years ago, the GOP ran Barry Goldwater for president and got trounced in one of the worst defeats in US history (the popular vote was more lopsided that either Nixon-McGovern or Reagan-Mondale, iirc). Triumphant liberals proudly claimed that America just wasn't that right-wing, that Republicans were extremists, that the liberal consensus was here to stay and the GOP needed to accommodate it.
16 years later, Ronald Reagan was elected president. 8 years after that, Goldwater pronounced Reagan too conservative for his tastes.
16 years after [i[that[/i], we have a Republican president so conservative that he's capable of horrifying Reaganites (see my sig, for example).
Liberals don't have to moderate their "extremism," any more than the conservatives did. Instead, they need to imitate conservative tactics, and begin the hard work of moving from their ideologogy back from the margins to the center.He's got the Midas touch.
But he touched it too much!
Hey Goldmember, Hey Goldmember!
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Originally posted by Sikander
Um, isn't Oerdin's point that the Dems need to begin the hard work of moving their ideology back from the margins to the center? I don't find your point clear as stated."I have as much authority as the pope. I just don't have as many people who believe it." — George Carlin
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However, the GOP did change its ideology. Maybe Reagan didn't change his own, but the party is different ideologically than in Nixon's day, for instance.I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891
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Yes...it sure did!
Sadly, not for the better.
-=Vel=-
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Oh, btw, the article is ridiculous. Some of the reddest of red states aren't part of Dixie. In fact, the reddest state had marriage norms dictated to it from the federal government. And those norms were religiously based!
Sadly, not for the better.I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891
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I'm starting to get embarrassed for some of the Dems here. I've seen 4 year olds take things better than some of ya'll have. I really really hope the Democratic party will listen to the people like Oerdin or Mr. Fun who seem to at least see the troubles in the Democratic party. I haven't been able to vote for a Democrat in years and before too long I may not be able to vote for a Republican.Which side are we on? We're on the side of the demons, Chief. We are evil men in the gardens of paradise, sent by the forces of death to spread devastation and destruction wherever we go. I'm surprised you didn't know that. --Saul Tigh
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I'm really torn between Oerdin & Rufus' arguements. Each make sense.
I guess the question for those who see it the way Rufus does is this: what conservative tactics are you talking about emulating?
-Arriangrog want tank...Grog Want Tank... GROG WANT TANK!
The trick isn't to break some eggs to make an omelette, it's convincing the eggs to break themselves in order to aspire to omelettehood.
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We usually appeal to democratic ideals given the referendum we had on the matter. But why let facts get in the way of a good rant.You hear echoes of Southern nationalism whenever Mississippi invokes "states' rights" to justify flying the Confederate flag over their capitolsI make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio
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Originally posted by Arrian
I'm really torn between Oerdin & Rufus' arguements. Each make sense.
I guess the question for those who see it the way Rufus does is this: what conservative tactics are you talking about emulating?
-ArrianWhich side are we on? We're on the side of the demons, Chief. We are evil men in the gardens of paradise, sent by the forces of death to spread devastation and destruction wherever we go. I'm surprised you didn't know that. --Saul Tigh
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