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Republicans: We Will NOT Tolerate blocking Bush's Nominees, The End of Fillibusters?
Fillibustering keeps the majority from steamrolling the minority and so forces comprimise.
However, we moved senator elections from the state legislature to direct, so we aren't in as credible a position to say that we don't have the Tyranny of the majority right now. Did the Democrats gain some state legislatures?
It is attempting to change 225 year old laws which guard fairness and balance in judicial nominees. The 2/3 rule is so that any nominee must be supported by the vast majority of senators but the Republicans want to change that so they can ram through any body they want no matter how extreme.
The Constitution says the senate is to advice the President on nominees and that all of the nominees must be approved by the senate. The 2/3 rule is a centuries old law which is designed to create more cooporation between parties and to assist in creating a group consensus.
Originally posted by Odin
It prevents Tyranny by Majority
That's what the constitution is for. It's absolutely worthless to have Congress otherwise; we might as well have each party nominate a representative and when they agree on something, it happens. It's retarded to give anyone an effective veto.
and that is a very legitimate position... the majority should be able to legislate their ideology.
"Flutie was better than Kelly, Elway, Esiason and Cunningham." - Ben Kenobi
"I have nothing against Wilson, but he's nowhere near the same calibre of QB as Flutie. Flutie threw for 5k+ yards in the CFL." -Ben Kenobi
Originally posted by Oerdin
It is attempting to change 225 year old laws which guard fairness and balance in judicial nominees. The 2/3 rule is so that any nominee must be supported by the vast majority of senators but the Republicans want to change that so they can ram through any body they want no matter how extreme.
The Constitution says the senate is to advice the President on nominees and that all of the nominees must be approved by the senate. The 2/3 rule is a centuries old law which is designed to create more cooporation between parties and to assist in creating a group consensus.
It is, however, a law, and it is the Senate prerogative to set its own rules. It even says so in the Constitution.
The Republicans are not acting out of bounds at all. In fact, the Constitutionality of the 2/3 rule itself could be challenged.
Originally posted by Kuciwalker
That's what the constitution is for. It's absolutely worthless to have Congress otherwise; we might as well have each party nominate a representative and when they agree on something, it happens. It's retarded to give anyone an effective veto.
It's not a veto in any way in any shape or in any form. You have to have 40% of the Senate all agree that something isn't good before you can have a filibuster. Do you know how hard it would be to maintain 40% of the senate on an issue? Do you realize how rare filibusters are because of this?
when was the last time the GOP was pushing so many amendments (gay marriage, abortion, natural citizen presidents, etc.)? 1865?
"Flutie was better than Kelly, Elway, Esiason and Cunningham." - Ben Kenobi
"I have nothing against Wilson, but he's nowhere near the same calibre of QB as Flutie. Flutie threw for 5k+ yards in the CFL." -Ben Kenobi
Originally posted by Oerdin
It's not a veto in any way in any shape or in any form. You have to have 40% of the Senate all agree that something isn't good before you can have a filibuster. Do you know how hard it would be to maintain 40% of the senate on an issue? Do you realize how rare filibusters are because of this?
If it's difficult to get 40%, it's much more difficult to get 60%.
Originally posted by GePap
Well, can't the democrats fillibuser that proposal?
No. It only takes a simple majority to change house rules and the President of the Senate (Dick Cheney) can change the rules at a whim. The reason they don't want to do this is that it will allow the Democrats to do it once they return to a majority within the Senate, and payback could be a *****.
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