Tape showing US soldiers killing an unarmed and wounded Iraqi

[Tingkai]

Originally posted by Shi Huangdi
As this happened within the US ranks, the person who did such a deed will be punished and seriously.

Maybe, maybe not.

[MrFun]

Originally posted by Shi Huangdi
The military is a large organization, and the US Can't guarantee the behavior of every soldier.

As this happened within the US ranks, the person who did such a deed will be punished and seriously.

Had a member of the insurgency did such a thing to a US soldier, he would be a hero for killing an American. If they did get mad at him, it'd be for not capturing him so they could behead him later.

What is your point by claiming the obvious that insurgents have no qualms about committing atrocities?


That because they do such terrible things, it is okay when an occassional American soldier does such a thing?

[Zkribbler]

Originally posted by GhengisFarb
Correct me if I'm off but WEREN'T ALL CIVILIANS AND NONCOMBATANTS TOLD TO GET THE HECK OUT?

No, they were told that, if they stayed in their homes, they wouldn't be hurt. No one declared Falluja to be a free-fire zone.

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But Holy [insert your most extreme explicative here]! This is a nightmare!!

The Arab street and press are going to blow this all out of proportion, and we're going to look worse than those vermin who saw off the heads of hostages. The only way I see to fix this mess is to arrest the Marine, try him quick, convict him and shoot him.

[Chemical Ollie]

This would never happen in a Tom Clancy novel

[Atahualpa]

Originally posted by Shi Huangdi
Had a member of the insurgency did such a thing to a US soldier, he would be a hero for killing an American. If they did get mad at him, it'd be for not capturing him so they could behead him later.

Yes and they are terrorists. Your point is?

[Guardian]

Originally posted by GhengisFarb
Correct me if I'm off but WEREN'T ALL CIVILIANS AND NONCOMBATANTS TOLD TO GET THE HECK OUT?

If you move they're going to shoot you. Either you're the enemy or someone Darwin dictates should be removed from the gene pool.

Nice attitude!

Why don't you set up a few extermination camps while you're at it?

Oh, and don't bother to tell me when it's time to salute the Führer, I won't be on your side.

[DRoseDARs]

Ghengis, while many people did leave the city, I believe an estimated 30,000 to 50,000 thousand didn't. This isn't some little farming community that's a battleground, it's an actual city.

[KrazyHorse]

I see that the atrocity apologists are out in full force.

[Felch]

Originally posted by Atahualpa


Yes and they are terrorists. Your point is?

Terrorists are still human beings. Are they exempt from being judged by the same morals that we apply to the marines?

The point is that there's a double standard. If you think the double standard is fair because America should lead by example then you're unrealistic. The guys who are actually putting their lives on the line can't meet your fantastic standards. And the insurgents, who seem to go out of their way to commit war crimes (IIRC murder, pretending to be civilians, and I think booby trapping dead bodies are all against the GC) are given a free pass because that's the European notion of fair.

Nobody here knows what happened there, nobody there even really knows what happened. But we can be sure that the military takes significant measures to instill discipline, and will maintain that by punishing people for crimes. The noble savages will probably not make any effort to match the Americans in this regard.

[Kropotkin]

That chap is in a world of **** for what he did. There's no ****ing chance that they will let him get away with that one. The US can't really afford letting criminals that are reported about in the media get away with it. The paramount importance of good PR dictates this.

Another question, that we'll probably never get a really good answer to, is how the marine corps acts when there's no outsider there to see it. War crimes in this day and age is somewhat like a tree in the forest; If there's no one to hear it fall, it doesn't make a sound. It all comes down to the integrety of each unit I suppose. Let us hope that the soldiers (yes, soldiers, the rest of the world doesn't care what you call them. "A rose by any other name...") that do things like that when there's no camera around gets the same threatment.

Oh well, it's not really a problem unique to this particular situation, is it?

[Felch]

KH, if this were a clear case of an American murdering an insurgent, I'd agree with you, and I wouldn't have a word to say in the marine's defense. But from what I know this seems more like manslaughter, which is unfortunate, but not a war crime.

Even playing Halo I get nervous and jumpy, and that's just a video game. If I were being shot at for real, it's fifty fifty if I'd shoot like crazy or just **** my pants.

Besides, this is the same town that strung up and mutilated four American contractors. Anybody wants to use American corpses to decorate their city had better arm themselves, and not whine and cry when we make some mistakes.

[Chemical Ollie]

Originally posted by Felch
Anybody wants to use American corpses to decorate their city had better arm themselves, and not whine and cry when we make some mistakes.

How do you know this man was involved in the BBQ party?

By the way, you can say the same thing about those civilian contractors: "If you want to help your country invade another country, you had better arm yourself and not whine and cry when the invaded people take revenge on you"

[Guardian]

Originally posted by Felch
Besides, this is the same town that strung up and mutilated four American contractors. Anybody wants to use American corpses to decorate their city had better arm themselves, and not whine and cry when we make some mistakes.

So, you're holding an entire city of about 300.000 people responsible for that action?

Well, that's another nice attitude...

[Felch]

Heh, I like how all the holier-than-thou Scandanavians take one inflamatory paragraph out of three to fret about.

That's your problem right there. You'd rather fight the easy fight, make me look like some nitwit hill-billy, instead of actually arguing the key points that I made. You're nothing but a bunch of limp-wristed whiners. When you want to tear apart what I say, tear the whole thing apart, not just the part that hurt your precious little feelings.

[Alexander's Horse]

Originally posted by Felch
Besides, this is the same town that strung up and mutilated four American contractors. Anybody wants to use American corpses to decorate their city had better arm themselves, and not whine and cry when we make some mistakes.

You should listen to yourself.

You liberated that wounded guy permanently. Congratulations.