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[DinoDoc]

Hell they imagine General Zod as a liberal. What greater proof do you need for thier ignorance?

[Ted Striker]

Originally posted by Wycoff


I completely disagree. The abolitionists were a minority, and the Emancipation proclamation was as much of a foreign policy tool as it was anything. Since the Brits and French had already banned slavery, it would have been politically difficult for them to diplomatically recognize the slave holding South if the South looked like it was an illigitamate rebellion. Lincoln feared foreign recognition of the CSA, as that could lead to foreign intervention in the war. The administration had to wait for some clear victories so the Proclamation wouldn't appear to be an act of desperation, and thus dismissed as a desperate strategy by the relevant foreign powers. After Vicksburg and Gettysburg the North clearly had the advantage. Lincoln could then proclaim the Emancipation Proclamation, giving the US the moral upper hand and effectively guaranteeing that the premier European powers would not recognize the South.

Not really. Europe never really considered any real intervention in the war at all. There was one incident with the British but that was about it.

I will agree that it squashed all hopes of foreign intervention (which was never really seriously considered in the first place). But that was not the primary reason for it being issued. To ignore the domestic effects is a complete mistake and the primary reason for its issuance.

The Northern Government now was committed to a broader cause, with deep, mystic overtones; it was fighting for union and for human freedom as well, and the very nature of the Union for which it was fighting would be permanently deepened and enriched. A new meaning was given to Daniel Webster's famous "Liberty and Union, now and forever, one and inseparable"; the great Battle Hymn now rang out as an American Marseillaise, and Northerners who had wondered whether the war was quite worth its terrible cost heard, at last, the notes of the bugle that would never call retreat. A war goal with emotional power as direct and enduring as the Confederacy's own had at last been erected for all men to see.

http://www.civilwarhome.com/europeandcivilwar.htm

[Drake Tungsten]

Hell they imagine General Zod as a liberal. What greater proof do you need for thier ignorance?

Good point.

[Ted Striker]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
Nebraska was a slave state? No wonder you fools lost the election; you can't even get basic historical facts right...

You're right, though slavery was only abolished in Nebraska about 2 months before the Civil War started.

Negroes living in Nebraska immediately previous to the Civil War occupied a rather anomalous status. The majority were freemen, but a number of them were slaves. Nebraska, although part of the territory in which slavery as an institution did not exist, nevertheless recognized the property right of a slave-holder with regard to the slaves owned by him, when such slave-holder had acquired his property during residency in one of the states in which slavery was permitted. Consequently slave-holding in the Territory of Nebraska generated a number of bitter controversies, both civil and political. It persisted as a focal point of dissension until the question was decided for all time by the Emancipation Proclamation and the Thirteenth Amendment to the Constitution of the United States.

http://www.memoriallibrary.com/NE/Ethnic/Negro/slavery.htm

[Ted Striker]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
you can't even get basic historical facts right..

Yeah!

Like the historical fact that there are Weapons of Mass Destruction in Iraq!

[Drake Tungsten]

Nebraska wasn't even a state until after the Civil War. And I love how North and South Dakota get labelled as former slave states just because they had once been part of a territory which never allowed slavery. Morons...

[Ted Striker]

Okay, how about "slave areas."

[Drake Tungsten]

It wasn't a "slave area" either. Slavery as an institution never existed in Nebraska, as you just showed.

[MrFun]

Originally posted by Wycoff
Good Post, Mr. Fun

I will let you in on a secret . . . . .


I'm a history graduate student who specializes in Civil War and Reconstruction.

[Ted Striker]

This one is for Mister Fun.

[MrFun]

[Ted Striker]

I'm just messing with you.

[MrFun]

You're just upset because of instead of simply glorifying the Republican Party and depicting Lincoln as someone who walked on water, I posted accurate information about the politics of race and economics during the Civil War and Reconstruction era.

[Ted Striker]

Uhhhh....I'm not sure you're even close on your assessment there.

[MrFun]

Originally posted by Ted Striker
Uhhhh....I'm not sure you're even close on your assessment there.

Of course not -- you think Lincoln walked on water.