Lefties: Want to get rid of my Reagan avatar?

[MrFun]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui

So why don't you see Reagan's imposition of dictatorships in Latin America as terrorist activity?

Well imposition of dictatorships isn't a terrorist activity in itself. Backing groups killing civilians is supporting terrorism, but not terrorist in itself.

And... Did you NOT read the post? Even if it was supporting terrorist regimes, I kind of dislike Communism.

"Backing groups killing civilians is supporting terrorism, but not terrorist in itself."


you funny

[Imran Siddiqui]

Backing groups killing civilians is supporting terrorism, but not terrorist in itself.

What's so funny about a true statement?

Do you consider people who give money to terrorist groups to be terrorists? If so, there are plenty of Irish in New England you have to round up for giving money to the IRA.

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui

if the Israelis went after civilian targets without remorse

They have. Before Arafat alerted the world to the Palestinian plight, there had been villages wiped away by the Israelis.

Yeah...

Do you have a map to the secret mass graves?

[MrFun]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui

Backing groups killing civilians is supporting terrorism, but not terrorist in itself.

What's so funny about a true statement?

Do you consider people who give money to terrorist groups to be terrorists? If so, there are plenty of Irish in New England you have to round up for giving money to the IRA.

Yes, technically, those who are financing terrorist activity are not terrorists themselves. But that does not wash the "blood" off the financiers' hands, IMO.

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by notyoueither
I think I'd like to see the reaction around here if the Israelis went after civilian targets without remorse, the way some like Hamas do.

On second thought, I really do not want to see that.

They already do, bulldozing houses left and right and fire missiles at will against who-knows-what targets.

Still remember the incident where a human rights activist was run over by a bulldozer when she tried to stop it from wrecking a house?

[Agathon]

Ok -- if the argument can be made that all atrocities are by definition, acts of terrorism, that still does not undermine my position that wiping out Amerindian villages is just as horrid as suicide bombings of public markets.

Sure, but there is a difference. The people we call "terrorists" like Hamas are the victims of an occupation. It's all very well to tell them that they shouldn't be violent, but you can't condemn their violence and ignore the fact that some bunch of asses invaded their country and have imposed apartheid on them.

If the Israeli public really wanted to do something about it, they could vote in a government that would end the occupation. But they won't, despite Israel being one of the world's most vibrant democracies. The only reasonable conclusion is that a majority of Israelis support the occupation or don't care enough to see it stopped. Hence, they are doing the Palestinians wrong, and are fair game.

If the public doesn't take responsibility in a democracy, who does?

Were the Irish supposed to play nice with the British, after centuries of absolutely disgraceful actions on the part of the latter?

[Imran Siddiqui]

that does not wash the "blood" off the financiers' hands

Are they terrorists? You explicitly said that Reagan's activities were 'terrorist'. Are you going to rephrase now?

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by Urban Ranger


They already do, bulldozing houses left and right and fire missiles at will against who-knows-what targets.

Still remember the incident where a human rights activist was run over by a bulldozer when she tried to stop it from wrecking a house?

And you can equate this to boarding a bus full of children, and detonating a bomb? How?

[MrFun]

Originally posted by Agathon

Ok -- if the argument can be made that all atrocities are by definition, acts of terrorism, that still does not undermine my position that wiping out Amerindian villages is just as horrid as suicide bombings of public markets.

Sure, but there is a difference. The people we call "terrorists" like Hamas are the victims of an occupation. It's all very well to tell them that they shouldn't be violent, but you can't condemn their violence and ignore the fact that some bunch of asses invaded their country and have imposed apartheid on them.

If the Israeli public really wanted to do something about it, they could vote in a government that would end the occupation. But they won't, despite Israel being one of the world's most vibrant democracies. The only reasonable conclusion is that a majority of Israelis support the occupation or don't care enough to see it stopped. Hence, they are doing the Palestinians wrong, and are fair game.

If the public doesn't take responsibility in a democracy, who does?

Were the Irish supposed to play nice with the British, after centuries of absolutely disgraceful actions on the part of the latter?

Don't misunderstand me. I do not agree with all of Israel's policies.

And I see your point with Ireland -- decolonization in twentieth century in Asia, Africa, and Ireland often had to retort to organized violence.

[MrFun]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui

that does not wash the "blood" off the financiers' hands

Are they terrorists? You explicitly said that Reagan's activities were 'terrorist'. Are you going to rephrase now?

No, the financiers of terrorist activities are not terrorists, but they are just as guilty by being conspirators.

[Imran Siddiqui]

No, the financiers of terrorist activities are not terrorists, but they are just as guilty by being conspirators.

Ok... and? Read the second part of my original reply to you on this issue then.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Agathon
One man's terrorist is another's freedom fighter.

I call bull****. Though thier rehetoric is almost always couched with such niceties as a desire for freedom and a battle for human rights, there is a built in contradiction between the professed goal and the method chosen to implement them. In fact I'd go so far as to say that the methods reveal a totalitarian strain that runs through all terrorist groups today.

[MrFun]

What? The part where you said financing terrorism to combat communism because "you don't like communism" is justified in your opinion, then?


EDIT: x-posting thanks to DD's intrusion

[Imran Siddiqui]

The part where you said financing terrorism to combat communism because "you don't like communism" is justified in your opinion, then?

Bingo. Communism sux the big one .

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by MrFun
EDIT: x-posting thanks to DD's intrusion

It really bugs you when I try to help you doesn't it?