Abortion to be outlawed by Bush in this term...

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by Pekka
So if they ban abortion, why won't they ban DP? I don't get it. If we aren't supposed to kill people, then why DP?
And why aren't abortion banners taking the barricades over killers and murders? They're still humans.

I think the rationale is that abortion is murder of an innocent, while DP is justice over a culrpit.

[General Ludd]

Abortion is crime prevention.

[BlackCat]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
I'd go move there, to work, and pay my dues to that state.

Sure some people would move away, but others would move in.

I mean, not having to pay money to support abortion? Heaven.

Sure, enjoy it for a year or two, and then move out as fast as you can. Otherwise youll have to pay direly for all those 16-18 year old single mothers who will never get an education wich also probably will happen for their children, but then again - it can be solved by hiring more police to shoot them down when they have joined some crimnal organisation.

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi

What has changed? People now see what the abortion industry has become, and how legal abortion has hurt the country.

Yup, just look at the advertisements from the abortion industry where they try to persuade women to get pregnant so the can get an abortion at their local clinic.

And no, legal abortion don't hurt the country, on the contrary it probably makes it better. If you think that more people are better, then just take a look at china or india - they would be much better off if their population was less.

Originally posted by imacowmoo 3-:-o

They allowed themselves to get stuck in the first place. There are so many forms of birth control out there.

You forget the fact that the same evil forces that want to ban abortion has contraceptives as their second target. At the moment they prefer that people are killed by AIDS etc instead of promoting use of condoms.

Originally posted by imacowmoo 3-:-o
Wait.....what about the child?? You think the woman should have the RIGHT to kill an innoncent unborn child because her emotions towards the end of her pregnancy tell her to get rid of it?

If i'm not wrong, then most countries has a 12 week limit, so you can't get a abortion at the end of a pregnancy.

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi


Does all industry necessarily result in economic growth? The abortion industry profits from killing children. The accompanying loss of these children is dragging down your birth rate, and as a consequence, your long-term economic prosperity.

No, abortion clinics doesn't profit from killing children, the are earning their money from removing fetuses, and no, your long term economic prosperity aren't reduced, it's quite opposite, it's not the number that make prosperity, it's quality.

How does free enterprise work, with a constant decrease in demand?

What decrease ? You would be right if nothing new was invented, but since that is not true, then there are no problem.

Science does say that human life begins at conception. So no dice there.

Yoyu are right, human life, but not human conciousness, and it's that that counts.

Originally posted by imacowmoo 3-:-o
Im sure it feels good for the 8 month child who has a steel rod jammed in its skull and brains sucked out.

What country are you referring to that allows abortion in the eight month ? If you can find one, then i will agree that it's wrong, and it should be changed to 8-12 weeks as a limit.

Originally posted by Dissident
embryos are conscious!!

What? do you think they are in a coma?

No they aren't. It's quite reasonable to assume that there has to be a certain brain capacity before an embryo get consious.

[Dr Strangelove]

Originally posted by BlackCat



What country are you referring to that allows abortion in the eight month ? If you can find one, then i will agree that it's wrong, and it should be changed to 8-12 weeks as a limit.

The United States. The original Roe v Wade permitted abortions through the second semester and was hazy about abortions during the third term. Subsequently a number of states permitted abortion through the third trimester and suits were filed to force those states which limited abortion to the first and second trimesters. After a district federal court ruled that a state could not forbid late term abortions an appeal to the Supreme Court decided that no state could forbid abortion before the 26th week. The question of abortion after the 26th week was left to individual states. I believe that 8 of them permit voluntary late term abortions.

[muxec]

Is abortion ban the only way to make people use condoms?

Stop AIDS!!!

[BlackCat]

Thanxs. I usually don't think i know everything and are pleased to learn new.

I can't agree with that - it's too late - i have no problem with abortion in the first 8-12 weeks - that should bee enogh time to consider if you want the baby or not, but after that then it's wrong except in when dire medical reasons are at stake.

[BlackCat]

Originally posted by muxec
Is abortion ban the only way to make people use condoms?

Stop AIDS!!!

You got it wrong, abortion ban isn't a tool to get people to use condoms - next step is to ban condoms !!!

The antiabortionists want people to abandon sex in general and use no-sex-before-marriage as contraceptive wich is totally ridiculous.

[muxec]

a. Bush is religious. It'd be good if he respected others' atheism
b. You do not understand jokes

[BlackCat]

a; he seems to accept other peoples religion, but maybe he is an anti atheism person ? that is, they don't belive in my weirdness but at least they have their own weirdness to belive in so they are acceptable, but those who don't belive in any kind of weird things must be evil ?


b: (me) - but it isn't always clear if a statement are to be taken as a joke or a serious statement. But thank's - i think we agree.

[Dr Strangelove]

Originally posted by BlackCat
Thanxs. I usually don't think i know everything and are pleased to learn new.

I can't agree with that - it's too late - i have no problem with abortion in the first 8-12 weeks - that should bee enogh time to consider if you want the baby or not, but after that then it's wrong except in when dire medical reasons are at stake.

It's not uncommon for a girl to not know that she's pregnant until after the 8th week. Sometimes there is a little vaginal bleeding 2 weeks after conception, which would be the appropriate time for menestruation, so a woman may think that she's having a menestrual period.

[BlackCat]

Originally posted by Dr Strangelove


It's not uncommon for a girl to not know that she's pregnant until after the 8th week. Sometimes there is a little vaginal bleeding 2 weeks after conception, which would be the appropriate time for menestruation, so a woman may think that she's having a menestrual period.

I have never thougth life was simple - my sister thought she just was fat (and she was) but in the end she was more than that - she was pregnant. Anyhow, that doesn't change anyting - you have two to three months to find out if you are pregnant or not and most women/girls have a good idea about if there are a risk of beeing pregnant or not.

[muxec]

If Mr. Clinton and Monica... OK, it's irrelevant...

It's better to kill one before he is born instead of enforcing him to live with mom who does not want him?

Imagine that 14 year-old girl is pregant. Do you really want her not-born-yet child to grow up with her?

[BlackCat]

Originally posted by muxec
If Mr. Clinton and Monica... OK, it's irrelevant...

Since Bill and Monica to my knowledge performed safe sex (i remember something about a cigar, but i'm certain others can be more precise), then you are right - they don't have a claim in this thread (then why include them ? are you a republican ?).

It's better to kill one before he is born instead of enforcing him to live with mom who does not want him?

This doesn't make sense - explain.

Imagine that 14 year-old girl is pregant. Do you really want her not-born-yet child to grow up with her?

Shure - why not ? That is if she want it. if she don't then no.

[Elok]

Er, to get back on topic, Spiffor, I wasn't suggesting that women revert to the role of permanent housewife. Even from a totally selfish perspective I wouldn't want that; if you want a docile and stupid animal you should get a cow, not a woman.

But a fully enfranchised group still has to accept some unpleasant truths. To take one's place in society one has to realize that life is quite often unfair, and sometimes tolerate a great personal wrong for the sake of greater justice. We all do it on some level-when a guy drives on the shoulder of the road to get ahead of you, he's breaking the law, but if there are no police around he has to be tolerated, because it would not be just to take the law into your own hands. Yes, that's an awkward example, and I know it's easy for me to say seeing as I won't have to carry a kid, but this is all off the top of my head in early morning, so cut me some slack.

To put it another way, if a guy impregnates a woman by accident and she decides to have/keep the kid, he can be forced to support the child even though he did not have any "choice" in the affair. It's not the same as having to carry and give birth to the child, but isn't that a case where personal concerns are overridden for the sake of the child?

[Pekka]

Patrokolos, fair enough.. well, about pro-lifer, I still think it's a bit ironic they don't put much of a fight against DP comparing the fight against abortion. Not necessarily all, but majority for sure.

What is the anti-abortion stand anyway on few issues like when the life of the mother is in danger, and what about in case of rape? And where does the timelimit go when they see the abortion should not be allowed anymore, is it 1 day, 2 weeks, what? Do they accept the morning after pills?

I find it also ironic that the sides are so hardcore, both sides. Calling people murderers, that's kind of taking it to the other side. But then again, I'm even more hardcore. I think parents who feed their kids with that **** they do and make them fat and give them diabetes etc etc etc are murderers also. Even worse, because they gave the kid a glimps of what their lifes COULD be but never WILL be. Thanks to their nutrition ways at home. I think we should burn few of those people as well, kills way more. I mean, religionistas should join, it's not like obesity was ever a good thing in the bible.