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    Last edited by Dinner; November 4, 2004, 16:25.
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    • Originally posted by imacowmoo 3-:-o
      The party is better off without the spineless. You must be sure of your decisons when you make them and stick by them. There is no 20/20 hindsight. No monday morning Quarterbacking.

      This is a new world. A new era. We are either with our leader or against him. There is no middle ground. If you take the middle ground and claim to be a 'victim of the times' you will be pelted and labeled what you are, a traitor.
      Cow,
      Just out of morbid curiosity. How old are you?
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      • Originally posted by Arrian
        Compromise is regarded as the absence of conviction. I think that's bs too, but lots of people don't see it that way.
        Then they learn the hard way. That's the thing about free will — it's a double-edged sword and, as far as I'm concerned, my conscious is clear. I voted for some Dems and some Repubs, for the men and women, not the parties, per se. Some won, some lost. Those that got in will, IMO, be good lawmakers in the moderate sense of the word.

        One thing I won't compromise on is al-Qaida. Insofar as I'm concerned, the bastards deserve everything they get. Whether its through the sword or by the pen or combination thereof, al-Qaida is coming down, along with those who associate with it.

        I guess working from within is one way... but then again perhaps it's those moderate GOPers that give the GOP its veneer of respectability.

        I don't know.

        -Arrian
        Tell me about it. Well, I still have faith in the likes of John McCain, Olympia Snowe and Lincoln Chafee, along with some of the Blue Dog Democrats (fiscal conservatives), Main Street Republicans (a moderate group) and, of course, the independents.

        Gatekeeper
        "I may not agree with what you have to say, but I'll die defending your right to say it." — Voltaire

        "Wheresoever you go, go with all your heart." — Confucius

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        • Come to the darkside. Allan Keyes will show you his wisdom.
          We need seperate human-only games for MP/PBEM that dont include the over-simplifications required to have a good AI
          If any man be thirsty, let him come unto me and drink. Vampire 7:37
          Just one old soldiers opinion. E Tenebris Lux. Pax quaeritur bello.

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          • Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
            I'm always amazed at how my fellow countrymen can think that America is the bad guy for telling obviously corrupt regimes like those in France and Russia to "f-off" in order to topple a totalitarian regime that was bribing the very countries we gave the finger to...
            I am always amazed at how some red-stater can think the world gives a **** that some US leader claims to be stalling democracy in a country of 25 million when all the need to do is look at how the same leader is buddy buddy with dictatorships worldwide- that, and of course the moron in chief screwed the **** up and democracy is far, far away from actually being installed.
            If you don't like reality, change it! me
            "Oh no! I am bested!" Drake
            "it is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong" Voltaire
            "Patriotism is a pernecious, psychopathic form of idiocy" George Bernard Shaw

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            • Originally posted by SpencerH
              Berz seems to be handling things pretty well so let me just add this one small point.

              Most of the EU crowd whine about american intervention without UN (i.e. european) approval. Just remember that if America had decided to remain neutral toward the Nazi's (and there was a huge movement for that to happen), all you ****ing anti-america eurocoms would be speaking german.
              You yourself just said this is a false arguement, given that the US went to war with germany only after a German declaration of war. So Europeans have plenty to ***** about the US.
              If you don't like reality, change it! me
              "Oh no! I am bested!" Drake
              "it is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong" Voltaire
              "Patriotism is a pernecious, psychopathic form of idiocy" George Bernard Shaw

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              • Originally posted by alva


                You forgot about the criminals, the real ones, not the innocents they shipped to paradise Australia. :consipire:
                Point taken. Perhaps I was not drunk enough to get into that trolling mode. It's a workday tomorrow, after all...
                So get your Naomi Klein books and move it or I'll seriously bash your faces in! - Supercitizen to stupid students
                Be kind to the nerdiest guy in school. He will be your boss when you've grown up!

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                • Originally posted by GePap
                  I am always amazed at how some red-stater can think the world gives a **** that some US leader claims to be stalling democracy in a country of 25 million when all the need to do is look at how the same leader is buddy buddy with dictatorships worldwide- that, and of course the moron in chief screwed the **** up and democracy is far, far away from actually being installed.
                  Shhhh! Don't talk about those dictatorships and oppressive regimes we support! The public doesn't want to hear about it. Bush supporters certainly refuse to listen to how we have supporteed oppressive and unpopular non-democratic regimes in the ME; or at least how that could possibly have anything to do with how they don't like us.

                  -Drachasor
                  "If there's a child on the south side of Chicago who can't read, that matters to me, even if it's not my child. If there's a senior citizen somewhere who can't pay for her prescription and has to choose between medicine and the rent, that makes my life poorer, even if it's not my grandmother. If there's an Arab American family being rounded up without benefit of an attorney or due process, that threatens my civil liberties. It's that fundamental belief -- I am my brother's keeper, I am my sister's keeper -- that makes this country work." - Barack Obama

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                  • After reviewing this thread, I feel like restricting a whole bunch of people... So listen up... If you aren't going to discuss stuff in a civil manner... don't bother to post. Because if you do, I will make sure you won't be able to in the future.

                    Enough with the personal crap...
                    Keep on Civin'
                    RIP rah, Tony Bogey & Baron O

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                    • Originally posted by Chemical Ollie


                      Point taken. Perhaps I was not drunk enough to get into that trolling mode. It's a workday tomorrow, after all...
                      I was serious, dammit
                      Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing?
                      Then why call him God? - Epicurus

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                      • Originally posted by Ming
                        After reviewing this thread, I feel like restricting a whole bunch of people... So listen up... If you aren't going to discuss stuff in a civil manner... don't bother to post. Because if you do, I will make sure you won't be able to in the future.

                        Enough with the personal crap...

                        Captain of Team Apolyton - ISDG 2012

                        When I was younger I thought curfews were silly, but now as the daughter of a young woman, I appreciate them. - Rah

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                        • Originally posted by imacowmoo 3-:-o

                          This is a new world. A new era. We are either with our leader or against him. There is no middle ground. If you take the middle ground and claim to be a 'victim of the times' you will be pelted and labeled what you are, a traitor.
                          Writes the fanatic Mullah........

                          Nothing is either black or white - except the colours itself - and arguments like above isn't making the world more safe.
                          First they ignore you. Then they laugh at you. Then they fight you. Then you win.

                          Gandhi

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                          • Originally posted by Kramerman

                            tho im a little bit more opomistic about humanity, for the time being anyway. people have been preaching doom and gloom for decades now. doesnt mean it cant happen tomorrow, im just not so sure it will
                            I doubt it will, and for that I'm happy. As much as my fellow humans draw my ire from time to time, I sure as hell don't think that having everything destroyed is the way to "reset" things. What's that old saying? It's easy to destroy, but hard to build. Well, I'm going with the latter IRL and save the destruction for the Civ games!

                            Gatekeeper (a builder with a temper )
                            "I may not agree with what you have to say, but I'll die defending your right to say it." — Voltaire

                            "Wheresoever you go, go with all your heart." — Confucius

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                            • Originally posted by Drachasor
                              Shhhh! Don't talk about those dictatorships and oppressive regimes we support! The public doesn't want to hear about it. Bush supporters certainly refuse to listen to how we have supporteed oppressive and unpopular non-democratic regimes in the ME; or at least how that could possibly have anything to do with how they don't like us.

                              -Drachasor
                              Do you really think it's just Americans who enable *all* these dictatorships to survive and sometimes thrive? Please, don't be so naive. There are a lot people, corporations and governments in this world who are without scruples or morals, and they're most certainly *not* all Americans. A lack of scruples and/or morals is something most certainly not limited a certain nationality, ethncity, religion, faith and so on.

                              Gatekeeper
                              "I may not agree with what you have to say, but I'll die defending your right to say it." — Voltaire

                              "Wheresoever you go, go with all your heart." — Confucius

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                              • Originally posted by Gatekeeper
                                Do you really think it's just Americans who enable *all* these dictatorships to survive and sometimes thrive? Please, don't be so naive. There are a lot people, corporations and governments in this world who are without scruples or morals, and they're most certainly *not* all Americans. A lack of scruples and/or morals is something most certainly not limited a certain nationality, ethncity, religion, faith and so on.

                                Gatekeeper
                                Does that somehow make the ones America does support better?

                                Dang, I guess you think that the Holocaust wasn't so bad because Stalin killed more people.

                                *sigh*

                                The point of my post was how America has fostered hatred against America; keep in mind the context!

                                -Drachasor
                                "If there's a child on the south side of Chicago who can't read, that matters to me, even if it's not my child. If there's a senior citizen somewhere who can't pay for her prescription and has to choose between medicine and the rent, that makes my life poorer, even if it's not my grandmother. If there's an Arab American family being rounded up without benefit of an attorney or due process, that threatens my civil liberties. It's that fundamental belief -- I am my brother's keeper, I am my sister's keeper -- that makes this country work." - Barack Obama

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