Asking all English Canadians

[Fake Boris]

Yeah, and you expect companies to make separate packagings for each province?

[SpencerH]

Originally posted by Oncle Boris


Let's reassess: Quebec is a nation, but it's unclear how it would truly benefit from having its own state.

Politically, there are good reasons IMO on both sides; for me, it would all trace back to a very personal choice, because I would feel something is somehow wrong if I voted against independance just because I thought that we couldn't tackle the challenge of having a state that serves us better.

Ah, so you regard Quebec as a conquered nation under the hegemony of Canada rather than state in the american sense. So what is it about Quebec that doesnt allow its integration with 'greater Canada' after so long a time? Old european grudges perhaps?

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by SpencerH
Ah, so you regard Quebec as a conquered nation under the hegemony of Canada rather than state in the american sense. So what is it about Quebec that doesnt allow its integration with 'greater Canada' after so long a time? Old european grudges perhaps?

Would you like Alabama to be the only English-speaking part of Greater France?

[Asher]

Originally posted by Oncle Boris
Yeah, and you expect companies to make separate packagings for each province?

You expect companies to make separate packagings for each country?

Quebec is the only exception. If that poses a problem with Quebec, so be it. It's not my concern.

It should not be a federal law, since most provinces do not have any considerable French-speaking population. It should be up to the company...

[Asher]

Originally posted by Spiffor
Would you like Alabama to be the only English-speaking part of Greater France?

Obviously, it would make more sense for Alabama to finally leave, rather than push their incestuous practices on the homosexual French nation.

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by Asher
You expect companies to make separate packagings for each country?

If the market is large enough, yes. If the market isn't large enough (like cookies in Europe), the packaging will be international.[/QUOTE]

[Fake Boris]

Originally posted by SpencerH


Ah, so you regard Quebec as a conquered nation under the hegemony of Canada rather than state in the american sense. So what is it about Quebec that doesnt allow its integration with 'greater Canada' after so long a time? Old european grudges perhaps?

No! It is exactly because respectful integration with Canada seems possible that I don't see independance as an absolute requirement!

[Fake Boris]

Originally posted by Asher

You expect companies to make separate packagings for each country?

As Spiffor said it is common in Europe to see products with packaging in 5+ languages.

That federal law is the least of my concerns. Only the most seasoned whiners would have something against it.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Oncle Boris
As Spiffor said it is common in Europe to see products with packaging in 5+ languages.

IIRC, Canada is not Europe.

Ideally, what would happen is Quebec leaves, or accepts English.

There's no room for an ancient dialect on my products.

[DAVOUT]

Originally posted by Oncle Boris


Let's reassess: Quebec is a nation, but it's unclear how it would truly benefit from having its own state.

Politically, there are good reasons IMO on both sides; for me, it would all trace back to a very personal choice, because I would feel something is somehow wrong if I voted against independance just because I thought that we couldn't tackle the challenge of having a state that serves us better.

The same dilemma appears when a well paid manager is contemplating to become the owner of a smaller business. All difficulties and worries and risks of being alone on one hand, and the enebriating feeling of independance on the other. In other words, is it better to be the second in Rome or the first in one s village?

[SpencerH]

Originally posted by Oncle Boris

No! It is exactly because respectful integration with Canada seems possible that I don't see independance as an absolute requirement!

I guess its an language/interpretation thing then.

When you, as a quebecois, say "Quebec is a nation". It suggests to me that you dont want to be part of Canada.
While "but it's unclear how it would truly benefit from having its own state." suggests that you merely accept being a part of Canada since you dont perceive an alternative.

So again, given that you even consider independence an option, I wonder what you perceive the problems to be that cause you to consider that option.

Remember, I havent lived in Canada for nearly 20 years so I expect things have changed a bit.

[SpencerH]

Originally posted by Asher

Obviously, it would make more sense for Alabama to finally leave, rather than push their incestuous practices on the homosexual French nation.

Feeling 'on top of the world today' are we? Hmmm!

[SpencerH]

Originally posted by Spiffor

Would you like Alabama to be the only English-speaking part of Greater France?

Well obviously I wouldnt want to have anything to do with you frog-eaters

I think this is an interesting discussion. I've always appreciated the fact that Canada will never be a part of America so long as it has the french culture so I dont understand why independence is such an issue for a varying number of quebecois. Just what is the problem? Maybe after not living there for so long I can understand it now.

[Nostromo]

You're doing a great job, Oncle Boris!

[Fake Boris]

Originally posted by SpencerH


I guess its an language/interpretation thing then.

When you, as a quebecois, say "Quebec is a nation". It suggests to me that you dont want to be part of Canada.
While "but it's unclear how it would truly benefit from having its own state." suggests that you merely accept being a part of Canada since you dont perceive an alternative.

Not necessarily. There are examples of federal, multi-national states like Belgium, and they can work. (BTW, though, I'd prefer that the relationship between the French and English in Canada is better than between the Wallons and the Flemish).

Something interesting arising from your point though, is the situation around geopolitical factors: normally, independance means more sovereignty, but in this particular case it could mean less.

In another context, I could be a fierce backer of independance, while in the current one I realize that a weaker Canada and a weaker Quebec means we'll both have our hands tied in the back when facing America, hence some of my reserves about independance.

So again, given that you even consider independence an option, I wonder what you perceive the problems to be that cause you to consider that option.

Remember, I havent lived in Canada for nearly 20 years so I expect things have changed a bit.

That Ottawa impedes on provincial powers, mainly, in a way that some fundamental aspirations of our nation may never be listened to by something seen as a "foreign" government.