Asking all English Canadians

[Fake Boris]

Originally posted by Wezil
I prefer Quebec in Canada, but not at any price.

As to seperatism - We discussed the dishonesty of Quebec seperatists on this board not too long ago. Seperatists CAN NOT get a clear majority to a clear question. The game is done barring some calamitious mismanagement by the feds. Quite frankly, western seperation is a much greater concern to me. Unlike Quebec, the west can actually afford to do it and not just threaten.

The question was clear. It seemed like only people outside of Quebec are unable to understand it.

BTW, if Quebec can't get a clear majority, no one can. What's a clear majority? Even the Supreme Court doesn't know it.

[Fake Boris]

Originally posted by Asher

Pfft

Asher you just proved his point. Quebec receives more because its population is much larger, not because it is that much poorer.

[Asher]

> 50%

[Wezil]

Oncle - I looked for the earlier thread in the archives but it apparently didn't make it.

As Asher points out - a clear majority is easy.

A clear question is admittedly tougher, but we could start with an honest debate, not the crap peddled by the separatists.

[Fake Boris]

Originally posted by dejon


We can forgive the have-not Easterners because we know the Feds bled them dry of natural resources, just like they [try to] do to BC and AB.

Urban Quebec is not a problem - they are doing fine and have kept the separatists at bay.

The problem is rural Quebec, which blames English-speaking Canada for their lot in life, for reasons I don't understand.

There is the fact that people in rural areas - everywhere - tend to be more conservative, i.e. less tolerant to minorities, more (primitively, not in a Social Contract sense) nationalistic, etc.

In this case, this natural tendency has been nurtured and increased by the economic domination of the province by the English minority. Most people over 60 resent the old days in factories where all workers were French while the owners and bosses were English, etc. On top of that, there is the political memory of the fierce anti-union war waged by capital owners up until the 50s and 60s; in the RoC that fight was purely between classes, but in Quebec it could be related to a clearly distinguishable ethnic discrepancy.

Though these prejudices are not justified anymore under the current situation, old hatreds tend to perdure longer than their causes.

[Wezil]

You point out yet another reason why separation will not happen. Those with the most legitimate PAST gripes are aging fast.

[Fake Boris]

Originally posted by Wezil
A clear question is admittedly tougher, but we could start with an honest debate, not the crap peddled by the separatists.

Maybe, but I would like if people told me what the fuss is about the "unclear" question. Here, if you ask some randomly picked persons, they'll all tell you that they know what they're voting for, and that they'll assume the consequences of it - of which they are aware more than you'd expect-.

Some outside of Quebec seem to think that we are brainwashed, that we aren't being told the 'truth', etc. That's ridiculous: the anti-separatist lobby is super-powerful, super-rich and use every opportunity they have to pound on separatists - even running campaigns outside of Quebec to hinder PQ governments in their international partnerships.

[Fake Boris]

Originally posted by Wezil
You point out yet another reason why separation will not happen. Those with the most legitimate PAST gripes are aging fast.

Right. After being fueled from past and understandable gripes in the 70s, the separatists are having problems "reinventing" their position to make it attractive.

In the beginning of the 90s, constitutional frustration played a big role, but its 'boring' and 'technical' nature made it fade more quickly.

Despite all of this, though, a majority of French Canadians would vote YES (56-58%) and are only held back by the Anglo minority. The national sentiment is here to stay, and I don't see it significantly going down in the next 10 or 20 years.

[Fake Boris]

BTW, I didn't know that you were Quebecois Spec.

Now that means the list is:

Oncle Boris
Spec
Richelieu
Nostromo
And KH, who is AFAIK Anglo-Quebecois, right?

[Agathon]

Funny how Asher complains about Quebecers being whiners when Albertans are the biggest whingers in North America.

Western Rednecks
Liberal goverments for the foreseeable future.
Western Rednecks annoyance at this.
French Canadian women.

Quebec is far and away the best province. The rest of Canada is anal retentive central.

I remember the first time I went to Quebec and asked in my hotel where one went to smoke. They asked me if I was mad, I replied that English Canada was.

[notyoueither]

Hook in the water!

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by Spec
Would you mind if Quebec became independant?

If so, why?

Yes.

I would mind for several reasons. There are the financial ones, that the instability during the transition period would inflict a lot of hardship on many Canadians across the country, but the biggest reasons for me are emotional.

I think it would be a shame if this country failed because we couldn't get over our differences for long enough to build a better Confederation, one which 99% of Canadians are happy to be a part of.

I don't think it would bode well for many other areas of the world where the consequences of not being able to live together could be much more severe than they would be here.

Finally, I'll deny this if asked later, but I like Quebec and most Quebecers (cois) that I have ever met. To a certain extent, some of us in the ROC treat seperatism as a rejection of 'us'. It's seldom nice to be rejected by people you like.

[Agathon]

You redneck, you!!

Take it that you do agree on the women thing, right?

[notyoueither]

Vavavoom!

[Agathon]

Englishers are all teh gay!! Vive la hotties.

I think it would be a shame if this country failed because we couldn't get over our differences for long enough to build a better Confederation, one which 99% of Canadians are happy to be a part of.