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  • #16
    Originally posted by Oerdin


    Of course I've also heard the natives in northern Quebec would try to break off from Quebec and rejoin Canada.
    Actually it is highly likely that the native groups that occupy a large portion of the Quebec landmass would want no part of an independent Quebec. Then you get into interesting questions as to the ability of people from other "nations" to secede.

    How could Quebec which would be asserting its right to a separate nation deny the same right to obvious and dicstinct other nations.?
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    • #17
      I have no problem with supporting have-not provinces in Canada, like the entire frickin' east coast...what I have a problem with is supporting have-not provinces as large as Quebec, and then have them whine incessantly and receive incredible special treatment and disproportionate government assistance.

      It's like people living on welfare and complaining that they can't afford the new Plasma TVs.
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      • #18
        Originally posted by Oerdin

        I've actually seeing polls where poeple in Alberta and BC would try to splite off from Canada if Quebec does.
        Yes, I remember people discussing many ideas along those lines. The idea being that the strength of so many natural resources would enable the new country to do as it pleased. However, the reality is that the people of those regions would never see eye-to-eye politically. BC votes federally to upset the Ontario juggernaut, but they are really quite left-leaning, as opposed to Alberta, which is totally on the right.

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        • #19
          That sounds a tad like what happened in Virginia during the Civil War. Virginia seceeds from the USA & joins the CSA, and then West Virginia forms and seceeds from Virginia and rejoins the USA. Virginia then invades West Virginia.

          -Arrian
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          • #20
            Yeah.. I do always love it when secessionists tell other seceeding provinces that they can't leave .
            “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
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            • #21
              Originally posted by Asher
              I have no problem with supporting have-not provinces in Canada, like the entire frickin' east coast...what I have a problem with is supporting have-not provinces as large as Quebec, and then have them whine incessantly and receive incredible special treatment and disproportionate government assistance.

              It's like people living on welfare and complaining that they can't afford the new Plasma TVs.
              We can forgive the have-not Easterners because we know the Feds bled them dry of natural resources, just like they [try to] do to BC and AB.

              Urban Quebec is not a problem - they are doing fine and have kept the separatists at bay.

              The problem is rural Quebec, which blames English-speaking Canada for their lot in life, for reasons I don't understand.

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              • #22
                It's because they're rural and therefore hicks and therefore useless.

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                • #23
                  I think everyone will be a lot happier when they realise the truth and rename Canada: "The Empire of Toronto".
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                  • #24
                    The Empire of York sounds cooler.

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                    • #25
                      You see Asher, you and your kind are the problem.

                      Cant you debate logicly like flubber and such instead of *****ing and whinning.

                      So for you its normal and ok to hate French canadians and Quebec but hating gays is wrong....Why is that? How is it different?

                      Spec.
                      -Never argue with an idiot; He will bring you down to his level and beat you with experience.

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                        • #27
                          I am a Fahking Anglo and I support Quebecs inherent right of self-determination.

                          I don't think an independent Quebec is the best idea in the world, but it's their decision to make.
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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Spec
                            You see Asher, you and your kind are the problem.

                            Cant you debate logicly like flubber and such instead of *****ing and whinning.
                            I am debating logically.

                            1) Quebec is a huge net recipient of public funds
                            2) Quebec constantly whines about its "society" and asks for more money
                            3) They're receiving huge benefits of leaching money off of provinces like Alberta, and yet still they whine...

                            The logic is there, if you would like to debate logically like me and such instead of *****ing and whining, then feel free.

                            So for you its normal and ok to hate French canadians and Quebec but hating gays is wrong....Why is that? How is it different?
                            Hating gays isn't wrong, legislating the hate of gays is wrong.
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                            • #29
                              Re: Asking all English Canadians

                              Originally posted by Spec
                              Would you mind if Quebec became independant?

                              If so, why?

                              Asher, you seem to hate Quebec without really knowing anything about us. Why is that?

                              Spec.
                              Whats your position about regions breaking away from Quebec.
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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Asher
                                I have no problem with supporting have-not provinces in Canada, like the entire frickin' east coast...what I have a problem with is supporting have-not provinces as large as Quebec, and then have them whine incessantly and receive incredible special treatment and disproportionate government assistance
                                Quebec is barely a "have not" province. Per capita it receives less than any of the other net beneficiaries IIRC
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