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  • #151
    Originally posted by Wiglaf
    Believe it or not, you started out in someone's womb, developing to the little bull****ter you are today. You're going to argue that, no, you weren't a six week old human then, you were merely plumbing that could rightfully be destroyed?
    Not plumbing per se, but yeah, I could have been rightfully aborted.

    Just like my mother could of rightfully of been using a contraceptive or my father a condom that prevented my existence from ever happening too.

    -Drachasor
    "If there's a child on the south side of Chicago who can't read, that matters to me, even if it's not my child. If there's a senior citizen somewhere who can't pay for her prescription and has to choose between medicine and the rent, that makes my life poorer, even if it's not my grandmother. If there's an Arab American family being rounded up without benefit of an attorney or due process, that threatens my civil liberties. It's that fundamental belief -- I am my brother's keeper, I am my sister's keeper -- that makes this country work." - Barack Obama

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    • #152
      Murder in not legal because it prevents the proper functioning of society. Abortion does not.

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      • #153
        Just like my mother could of rightfully of been using a contraceptive or my father a condom that prevented my existence from ever happening too.
        Why not gut 2-week old babies if you decide they cry too much? They have the intelligence of half a cat and can be ten times more annoying.

        Murder in not legal because it prevents the proper functioning of society. Abortion does not.
        Neither does gutting 2-week old babies. Especially the annoying ones.

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        • #154
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          A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.

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          • #155
            Originally posted by Wiglaf
            Why not gut 2-week old babies if you decide they cry too much? They have the intelligence of half a cat and can be ten times more annoying.
            They have significant cognitive functioning, their brain has started to work. That gives them sufficient attributes to qualify them for the majority of human rights (clearly they can't vote or do many other things yet).

            They are not cats, so they do not get "cat rights", though I would add that technically killing a cat like that is animal abuse.

            -Drachasor
            "If there's a child on the south side of Chicago who can't read, that matters to me, even if it's not my child. If there's a senior citizen somewhere who can't pay for her prescription and has to choose between medicine and the rent, that makes my life poorer, even if it's not my grandmother. If there's an Arab American family being rounded up without benefit of an attorney or due process, that threatens my civil liberties. It's that fundamental belief -- I am my brother's keeper, I am my sister's keeper -- that makes this country work." - Barack Obama

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            • #156
              Originally posted by Wiglaf


              Why not gut 2-week old babies if you decide they cry too much? They have the intelligence of half a cat and can be ten times more annoying.



              Neither does gutting 2-week old babies. Especially the annoying ones.

              I see your argumentation skills are improving.
              A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.

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              • #157
                They have significant cognitive functioning, their brain has started to work.
                Dog and cat brains also work "significantly." And they don't whine as much.

                I see your argumentation skills are improving.
                At least I do not run around comparing Bush to Hitler

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                • #158
                  Originally posted by Wiglaf
                  Dog and cat brains also work "significantly." And they don't whine as much
                  They aren't part of the human race.

                  -Drachasor
                  "If there's a child on the south side of Chicago who can't read, that matters to me, even if it's not my child. If there's a senior citizen somewhere who can't pay for her prescription and has to choose between medicine and the rent, that makes my life poorer, even if it's not my grandmother. If there's an Arab American family being rounded up without benefit of an attorney or due process, that threatens my civil liberties. It's that fundamental belief -- I am my brother's keeper, I am my sister's keeper -- that makes this country work." - Barack Obama

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                  • #159
                    Originally posted by Wiglaf


                    Dog and cat brains also work "significantly." And they don't whine as much.
                    So you must be against euthanizing pets to keep dying animals from suffering.

                    To say that it is not a religious issue is bull. Buddhists in Japan do not give abortion a second thought because of thier belief in reincarnation.

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                    • #160
                      They aren't part of the human race.
                      Why would a baby be a part of anything? It's relatively dumb, it's annoying, and craps everywhere. Why not group it into the same nonexistence as an unborn baby?

                      So you must be against euthanizing pets to keep dying animals from suffering.
                      What?

                      To say that it is not a religious issue is bull. Buddhists in Japan do not give abortion a second thought because of thier belief in reincarnation.
                      Clearly all different religions have their say on abortion. This does not preclude an ethical debate on the topic in any way.

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                      • #161
                        I think it's fairly safe to ignore Wiggy here, simply on the basis that he seems to have spent, at most, half an hour of his life in the company of a woman.
                        "I work in IT so I'd be buggered without a computer" - Words of wisdom from Provost Harrison
                        "You can be wrong AND jewish" - Wiglaf :love:

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                        • #162
                          Originally posted by Wiglaf
                          Why would a baby be a part of anything? It's relatively dumb, it's annoying, and craps everywhere. Why not group it into the same nonexistence as an unborn baby?
                          The baby is sentient and part of a human-level intelligence species, those two items constitute the bar.

                          It isn't about being dumb or smart, it is about having an advanced brain and being part of such a species. The baby has it, the dog does not. The zygote and embryo do not, for the brain hasn't started to function yet.

                          -Drachasor
                          "If there's a child on the south side of Chicago who can't read, that matters to me, even if it's not my child. If there's a senior citizen somewhere who can't pay for her prescription and has to choose between medicine and the rent, that makes my life poorer, even if it's not my grandmother. If there's an Arab American family being rounded up without benefit of an attorney or due process, that threatens my civil liberties. It's that fundamental belief -- I am my brother's keeper, I am my sister's keeper -- that makes this country work." - Barack Obama

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                          • #163
                            From Whaleboy's blog -

                            . The fire cracks and groans quietly as her angular, yet strong hands clasp around my throat, her knee pressing on my chest before she straddles my agonised form. I pass my hands over hers, of love I stroke her soft, coldly smooth flesh and bury my fingers into it, the fading strength of my hands penetrating her with a deep pain as her face contorts magnificently.
                            Now there's a 19-year old who knows something about mature sex.

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                            • #164
                              The baby is sentient and part of a human-level intelligence species, those two items constitute the bar.
                              1. Sentient - About as much as a cat, maybe less.
                              2. Human-Level Intelligence-Species - What does this even mean?

                              It isn't about being dumb or smart, it is about having an advanced brain
                              Fetuses also develop barely functioning brains, you know.

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                              • #165
                                Originally posted by Wiglaf
                                From Whaleboy's blog -

                                ....

                                Now there's a 19-year old who knows something about mature sex.
                                Funny, a search of that statement on google indicates it was not written by anyone involved:

                                "It's for a friend of mine and about another person who I knew once,"

                                -Drachasor
                                Last edited by Drachasor; October 31, 2004, 16:56.
                                "If there's a child on the south side of Chicago who can't read, that matters to me, even if it's not my child. If there's a senior citizen somewhere who can't pay for her prescription and has to choose between medicine and the rent, that makes my life poorer, even if it's not my grandmother. If there's an Arab American family being rounded up without benefit of an attorney or due process, that threatens my civil liberties. It's that fundamental belief -- I am my brother's keeper, I am my sister's keeper -- that makes this country work." - Barack Obama

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