"Why I voted for Bush"

[Ned]

Originally posted by Dissident


I voted for Kerry because I'm in a swing state. The democrats aren't all bad. They used to be a good party until the liberals and socialist hijacked them.

My god, Dis. If you know the truth, why did you join with the enemy?

[Arrian]

You felt the need to post that twice, Ned?

I'm sure AS is just devastated that the posterboy for the lunatic fringe has lost respect for him.

-Arrian

[Ned]

Originally posted by SpencerH


What an interesting viewpoint! I guess the fact that the Iranians refused to release the hostages while Carter was president and only resumed negotiations once RR was president-elect tells you nothing. The Iranians refused to deal with Carter and he had no answer to the problem. Its ridiculous to claim that Carter freed the hostages despite his considerable efforts to do so.

BTW I dont 'blame' Carter for acting as he did any more than I ''blame' Bush I for failing to finish off Saddam Hussein or 'blame' GWB for acting prematurely in Iraq. Its easy to armchair quarterback after the fact. That being said, the consequences of Carter's inability to resolve the problem with the hostages were dire for the USA and for the middle-east in general.

SpencerH, this kind of thinking by Ramo helps illustrate why he is a member of the loonatic left. The word "loonatic" is the apt word to describe people who live in an alternate reality of conspiracy theorys and lies.

[Ned]

Originally posted by Sava
You mean North Korea is appeasing the US?

No.

[Ned]

Originally posted by Drachasor


Over the long term, no one denies it is necessary.

That doesn't justify short-term stupidity in attempts to bring democracy.

-Drachasor

No it doesn't. But I have never heard Kerry actually say this. It would help a lot of us if Kerry demonstrated some understanding of the source of all the hate in the ME and some understanding of the way out for the future.

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by Ned
The word "loonatic" is the apt word to describe people who live in an alternate reality of conspiracy theorys and lies.

This is an excellent word indeed

[Ned]

Re: Re: Re: Bush Must Go

Originally posted by Drachasor

And again, Bush lies a heck of a lot more, and a heck of a lot worse than Kerry. You seem to like to ignore that fact, even though I have brought it up to you many times, you just act like it doesn't exist or try to dismiss it. Bush supporters try to ignore that in general it seems.

-Drachasor

Yeah sure. Asked at the Democrat convention why he claims, "Bush lied," Michael Moore replied, "Were there WMD's found in Iraq?"

[Drachasor]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Bush Must Go

Originally posted by Ned


Yeah sure. Asked at the Democrat convention why he claims, "Bush lied," Michael Moore replied, "Were there WMD's found in Iraq?"

That is a strawman, I never have talked about Moore or what he has said (and I think Moore's 9/11 doc is pretty poor).

Rather I have indicated figures from factcheck.org, you can just go and add up the lies.

It is really quite easy to do, but apparently Bush supporters know somewhere that Bush lies a lot more and they don't want to deal with it.

-Drachasor

[Ned]

Originally posted by Arrian
You felt the need to post that twice, Ned?

I'm sure AS is just devastated that the posterboy for the lunatic fringe has lost respect for him.

-Arrian

If I am a posterboy for the lunatic fringe, God help America. The people who like Kerry are true haters of America and everything she has ever stood for.

[Ned]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Bush Must Go

Originally posted by Drachasor


That is a strawman, I never have talked about Moore or what he has said (and I think Moore's 9/11 doc is pretty poor).

Rather I have indicated figures from factcheck.org, you can just go and add up the lies.

It is really quite easy to do, but apparently Bush supporters know somewhere that Bush lies a lot more and they don't want to deal with it.

-Drachasor

Drach, I am not concerned (much) about what you consider to be lies. I am concerned about what Michael Moore, and Senator's Kerry and Edwards claim to be lies.

[Drachasor]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Bush Must Go

Originally posted by Ned
Drach, I am not concerned (much) about what you consider to be lies. I am concerned about what Michael Moore, and Senator's Kerry and Edwards claim to be lies.

In other words, you don't give a darn about the truth, because you don't care about what indepedent groups (like factcheck) identify as lies, you only care about bashing the people you don't like.



-Drachasor

[Ned]

Originally posted by Spiffor

This is an excellent word indeed

At least we agree on why the left is out there.

"Carter freed the Iranian hostages." Ramo.

I bet even you, Spiffor, believe that one.

[Spiffor]

Re: Re: Bush Must Go

Originally posted by Ned
Kerry is not serious about reducing the deficit. You don't really believe that he will sacrifice all his new social spending projects to reduce the deficit?

You don't really believe Kerry will implement his social projects if elected?

Really, that's like believing in Santa Clinton creating a universal healthcare system

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by Ned
"Carter freed the Iranian hostages." Ramo.

I bet even you, Spiffor, believe that one.

I have no idea. Prior to this thread, I didn't even know about this whole deal.

[Ned]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Bush Must Go

Originally posted by Drachasor


In other words, you don't give a darn about the truth, because you don't care about what indepedent groups (like factcheck) identify as lies, you only care about bashing the people you don't like.



-Drachasor

Drach, I am concerned that Bush tell me the truth about facts. There are a lot of "conclusions" one can draw from known facts. These are opinions. One does not lie about opinions. One can exaggerate, puff and spin. But this is to be expected in a political campaign.

Cite me one thing, just one, where Bush lied about a fact that at the time he said it he knew to be false.

In contrast, the left has no shame. They charge Bush with this or that and produce falsified documents to prove their charges. With the left, it is the gravity of the charge that is important, not its truth.