Democrats don't cheat

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Q Cubed
god i hate gone with the wind...

You might say it blows.

[Q Classic]

oh, it does.

however, i miss the Varsity's onion rings...

ML, what makes a good conservative?

[chequita guevara]

Carms, in St. Charles has really good onion rings. They use Videlia onions and a beer batter.

[Q Classic]

i love onion rings... and che, that sounds really, really, really good.

ML, what makes a good conservative?

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

Varsity Onion Rings

[Sikander]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
And you haven't answered a single question of mine yet, NYE. Exactly what harm to the election has ACORN caused? Are people not able to vote? Are people able to vote twice? Are ineligible people able to vote? In all three of those questions, the answer is no. So what effect is ACORN having on the electoral process? None. Are they committing a crime? Yes. Will it affect the election? No. Should the be investigated and those guilty of wrong doing punished? Yes.

So honestly, why the hystrionics over this, but silence of real people being disenfranchised? Having your right to vote taken away is far more serious than fake registrations that can't be used.

They are wasting the time of the election workers and supervisors at the very least, creating a situation where they may not notice voter fraud because they are constantly dealing with this crap.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Everything else at the Varsity, though, makes you visit the crapper in 20 minutes .

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Sikander
They are wasting the time of the election workers and supervisors at the very least, creating a situation where they may not notice voter fraud because they are constantly dealing with this crap.

Good point. The question still remains whether this is deliberate on ACORN's part or whether they were duped by their staff. Having worked with telemarket researchers, I know first hand unless you are on top of your workers checking them, they will falsify results to get hirer scores for better pay.

[Spiffor]

This thread is depressing.

I wonder how a country can pretend itself to be the greatest democracy on earth when its organization of elections is so ripe to abuse.

To think THIS is the country that pretends to export democracy to the world. Geez, I know understand why you need UN observers more than some banana Republic.

[chequita guevara]

I would venture that probably 98% of our electoral process is fine. It's only on those rare occassions when our elections are super close that electoral fraud is decisive. The bigger problem is that people fought and died for the right to vote, and electoral fraud, even if it isn't decisive, is an insult to those people, many of who are still around (not the ones who died obviously).

[Dinner]

Originally posted by MalevolentLight
If Democrats are so squeeky clean why are they pushing in Ohio, Florida, and Michigan that voters be allowed to vote even in the wrong precinct as long as it's in their county? That means they can go vote multiple times.

Please we already allow this in California and in a dozen other states. Each voter has his social security number attached to each voter card which can easily be checked by computer. Everything where I come from is computerized so what's the problem? Really all this does is make it easier for people to vote especially if they live in one area but work in another.

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
Get reading. (BTW, you could have done your own google search, lazy boy).
google search results

Interesting stuff.

Does anyone know if this was really published in the Wall Street Journal?

http://www.davidstuff.com/incorrect/wsj12.htm

The Florida Myth

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Spinning tales about the 2000 election to boost black turnout.


Wall Street Journal, Editorial
September 28, 2004

In case you were lucky enough to miss it, here's a recent fund-raising letter from New Jersey Democratic Senator Jon Corzine:
"Voter suppression and intimidation . . . in Florida again!? The GOP used voter intimidation and outright fraud to hand Florida to George W. Bush in 2000, and if we don't stop them, they'll do it again."

Yes, the political urban legend that black voters in Florida were harassed and intimidated on Election Day four years ago is making a comeback. Only yesterday Jimmy Carter, fresh from blessing Hugo Chavez's dubious victory in Venezuela, moaned that in 2000 "several thousand ballots of African Americans were thrown out on technicalities" in Florida, and that this year more black than (Republican) Hispanic felons are being disqualified to vote--as if all felons weren't supposed to be barred, regardless of race.

As the Corzine letter and the "Jim Crow" pamphlet nearby suggest, this is all election-year demagoguery. Democrats and their acolytes are raising this myth from the dead to scare up black turnout and lay the groundwork for challenges in court if John Kerry loses. So, before Dan Rather concludes this is another scoop, let's all remember the fraud that didn't happen in 2000.

In June 2001, following a six-month investigation that included subpoenas of Florida state officials from Governor Jeb Bush on down, the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights issued a report that found no evidence of voter intimidation, no evidence of voter harassment, and no evidence of intentional or systematic disenfranchisement of black voters.

Headed by a fiercely partisan Democrat, Mary Frances Berry, the Commission was very critical of Florida election officials (many of whom were Democrats). For example, "Potential voters confronted inexperienced poll workers, antiquated machinery, inaccessible polling locations, and other barriers to being able to exercise their right to vote." But the report found no basis for the contention that officials conspired to disenfranchise voters. "Moreover," it said, "even if it was foreseeable that certain actions by officials led to voter disenfranchisement, this alone does not mean that intentional discrimination occurred," let alone racial discrimination.



The Justice Department's Civil Rights Division conducted a separate investigation of these charges and also came up empty. In a May 2002 letter to Democratic Senator Pat Leahy of Vermont, who at the time headed the Judiciary Committee, Assistant Attorney General Ralph Boyd wrote, "The Civil Rights Division found no credible evidence in our investigations that Floridians were intentionally denied their right to vote during the November 2000 election."
Peter Kirsanow, a Republican member of the Civil Rights Commission, told us in an interview that "the press has tried to spin what happened in Florida into something sinister. But there's a disconnect between what was actually found [in these various investigations] and how it's been portrayed."

Senator Corzine's letter references the New York Times, where heavy-breathing columnists are trying to link a routine investigation of voter fraud in an Orlando mayoral election with a statewide effort by Governor Jeb Bush to intimidate blacks into staying home in November. Elsewhere, the NAACP and People for the American Way have issued a report claiming that "intimidation" led to racially motivated voter disenfranchisement in Florida. These and other left-wing groups are planning to dispatch 5,000 lawyers nationwide on Election Day in the name of "voter protection," presumably to prevent a "repeat" of something that didn't happen the first time.

Another prong of the attack on the legitimacy of the Florida outcome, at least as it pertains to the notion the black voters were intentionally disenfranchised, is the number of black voters whose ballots were spoiled. The Civil Rights Commission concluded that blacks were more likely to spoil their votes than whites by a factor of 10 to 1. Other investigations put that ratio closer to 3 to 1. In any case, the numbers are educated guesses extrapolated from sample precincts because ballots don't record the race of the voter.

But the idea that racial animus rather than all-around incompetence produced higher spoilage rates for blacks, or accounted for their misplacement on the infamously inaccurate "felon purge list," is fanciful at best. In Florida, as in many other states, the manner in which elections are conducted, including all of the essentials of the voting process, is determined at the county level.



Which leaves the "stolen election" crowd with these inconvenient facts: In 24 of the 25 Florida counties with the highest ballot spoilage rate, the county supervisor was a Democrat. In the 25th county, the supervisor was an Independent. And as for the "felon purge list," the Miami Herald found that whites were twice as likely to be incorrectly placed on the list as blacks.
The real spectacle here is that some Democrats are only too willing to exploit the painful history of black voter disenfranchisement for some short-term partisan advantage. And it just might backfire. Democrats played up the Florida fiasco in the 2002 midterm elections, repeatedly telling blacks that their votes hadn't been counted in 2000. Rather than being riled up, many black voters believed what they were told and stayed home.


Copyright © 2004 Dow Jones & Company, Inc. All Rights Reserved.

[notyoueither]

btw, I agree there are some scum bag Repugs. My point here is that there are probably just as many scum bag Demorats.

Equal doses of opprobrium for vermin from both sides, I say.

[MrFun]

Originally posted by notyoueither
btw, I agree there are some scum bag Repugs. My point here is that there are probably just as many scum bag Demorats.

Equal doses of opprobrium for vermin from both sides, I say.

Duh -- who can disagree with this?

[notyoueither]

That viewpoint doesn't seem to get much air time on forums that I go to. Witness Che doing contortions to excuse the articles posted earlier.

TBH, I feel like a dork by taking a position on American politics when speaking to Americans. I appreciate how other people feel when some Yank (or other furriner) decides to tell them what's what about their own country.

The only reason I do here is I see the tide being more and more one-sided. It's like if I read newsmax, they would call me worse than a Commie by the time I was through.