Convince me to vote for Kerry

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Ned
I think the liberals in the US today are socialists in the main, true.

You crack me up. Liberals are weak-spined, slack jawed centrists comapred to socialists, Neddie.

[Drachasor]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara




You crack me up. Liberals are weak-spined, slack jawed centrists comapred to socialists

Be fair, they aren't necessarily weak-spined in any normal sense of the term.

They are centrists or, at 'best', moderates compared to Socialists though.

-Drachasor

[Pax]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara




You crack me up. Liberals are weak-spined, slack jawed centrists comapred to socialists, Neddie.

I guess there is no median that can be reached with you then.

[Ned]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara




You crack me up. Liberals are weak-spined, slack jawed centrists comapred to socialists, Neddie.

Agreed. There are a lot of liberals who espouse both socialist and capitalist values in the same sentence and who seem to be quite unaware in their inherent incongruity.

[Arrian]

No, Che is not a believer in compromise. He has stated, repeatedly, that he has no use for moderates.

As such, I have no use for him (politically speaking, of course, not personally).

-Arrian

[Sava]

Because American politics have shifted so far to the right... liberals are basically centrists... the moderates... the level-headed thinking folks.

Over 40% of America could be classified as right-wing extremist... or about 90% of Bush supporters. Althought it's hard to know how many are just plain ignorant. I think very few are die-hard righties... maybe 75% of Bush supporteres are ignorant, 25% hard-core righties.

[The diplomat]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
why in the world would anyone in their right mind vote for Bush?

Because he has lowered taxes on working families resulting in a better economy and is aggressively fighting terrorists resulting in a safer America. All you need to know about Bush's record is that the Economy is recovering and there has not been a single terrorist attack on US soil since 9-11. Those are 2 good reasons to vote for Bush.

Kerry on the other hand will "soak the rich" with higher taxes and be less aggressive against terrorists. How would that be good for America?

[Sava]

[Ming]

Originally posted by Sava
Over 40% of America could be classified as right-wing extremist... or about 90% of Bush supporters. Althought it's hard to know how many are just plain ignorant. I think very few are die-hard righties... maybe 75% of Bush supporteres are ignorant, 25% hard-core righties.

Hmmm, interesting math.

You first claim that 40% of america can be classified as right wing extremist (a Sava made up number)

You then go on to say that only 25% of Bush supporters are hard core righties. (yet another Sava made up number)

Depending on the polls, around 45% of America voters will be supporting Bush. So, 25% of 45% would mean that only 11.25% of america are hard core righties...

So which is it... 11% or 40%

Great math Sava

[The diplomat]

Originally posted by Sava
Because American politics have shifted so far to the right... liberals are basically centrists... the moderates... the level-headed thinking folks.

I don't think you can say that America has shifted to the far right. If we had shifted to the far right, we'd already have a ban on abortion and gay marriage.

[Sava]

Originally posted by Ming




Hmmm, interesting math.

You first claim that 40% of america can be classified as right wing extremist (a Sava made up number)

You then go on to say that only 25% of Bush supporters are hard core righties. (yet another Sava made up number)

Depending on the polls, around 45% of America voters will be supporting Bush. So, 25% of 45% would mean that only 11.25% of america are hard core righties...

So which is it... 11% or 40%

Great math Sava

I numbers and fun with them.

[Ned]

Sava, you must admit that you are a socialist. Where do you think that places you in the political spectrum?

[Sava]

Originally posted by Ned
Sava, you must admit that you are a socialist. Where do you think that places you in the political spectrum?

I'm not a socialist. I don't want socialized medicine... I want the most efficient and highest quality health care system.

What socialist ideas do I hold? I can't think of any.

I'd classify myself as a Progressive... like Teddy Roosevelt.

My ideals:
progressive tax system
free education
most efficient health care (if a single-payer system is the best, then so be it... but I really don't know if socialized medicine could do better.)
government regulated economy (not government controlled... two different things)
America having the strongest, most advanced military

I'm a bigtime social liberal... I am libertarian in that aspect. But in terms of economics, I'm slightly left of center.


but a socialist? nope... although I agree with them on some things... like abuses by corporations and such.

[Drachasor]

Originally posted by The diplomat
Because he has lowered taxes on working families resulting in a better economy and is aggressively fighting terrorists resulting in a safer America. All you need to know about Bush's record is that the Economy is recovering and there has not been a single terrorist attack on US soil since 9-11. Those are 2 good reasons to vote for Bush.

Better economy? Than a depression? The economy was going to recover on its own, and it is still a mess. Over half a million net jobs still gone, and that says nothing of the lack of growth that is needed for the 9 million new immigrants and general population growth.

Big business recovered because of Bush, company profits are up. Working Class families are in a mess, and the measly Bush tax cut is a joke.

As for the terrorist attacks, well, any quarter-way competent President would have done that, and there are still huge holes and huge financing problems on national security. A nuke could be snuck into NY tomorrow or today because we aren't careful enough about cargo.

Originally posted by The diplomat
Kerry on the other hand will "soak the rich" with higher taxes and be less aggressive against terrorists. How would that be good for America?

Kerry will be very aggressive against Terrorists, he just won't invade any country he feels like invading, and he won't treat other countries like they are inferiors to the U.S. He will be tough when needed, and use DIPLOMACY (know that word?) when needed. Bush doesn't know how to use diplomacy; he alienated are allies quite rapidly after 9/11, a time when they were more in support of us than normal. That is anti-diplomatic skills. Contrary to some notions, America needs allies to survive, and needs allies to maintain its status in the world.

As for "soaking the rich", he only intends to roll back the tax cut Bush gave them, an ill-conceived tax cut. On the other hand, he is working to lowe the cost of medical coverage and many other things to help small businesses and consumers. When consumers are given more money to spend, they spend it, and that helps business immediately. Trickle-down economics is stupid, but giving people money to directly spend that benefits both them and companies is very smart. That's why you don't increase their taxes, that's why you give them more benefits for less (essentially a tax-break), that's why they should have less of a relative tax burden than the rich. It's just smart economics.

-Drachasor

[Kontiki]

Originally posted by The diplomat
... there has not been a single terrorist attack on US soil since 9-11. Those are 2 good reasons to vote for Bush.

How many terrorist attacks were there on American soil before 9-11?