Can the Brits Swing Ohio?

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by Geronimo


It didn't work at all! There was a deeply ingrained misconception immediately following the war and up to the present that the US won the war due to the outcome of the (irrelevant to the outcome of the war) battle of new orleans. Electing the general from said battle as president of the US probably served to magnify the influence of this perception.

That's all well and good, but you kept your hands off the maple trees after that. That's all we cared aboot.

[DinoDoc]

Just remember who's the ***** in this relationship and then we can get on with laughing at the Guardian.

That would be you people.

[notyoueither]

As a wise man once said, we're bigger and we're on top That would make you the *****.

[Geronimo]

Originally posted by notyoueither


That's all well and good, but you kept your hands off the maple trees after that. That's all we cared aboot.

Aye, all's well that ends well. Had the war of 1812 resulted in some sort of annexation of Canada like the annexations following the mexican war I suspect the presence of that loyalist population would have meant that Lincoln would have faced a two front war of secession involving the north as well as the south. I don't think the population of Canada would have ever accepted rule from washington regardless of the outcome of the battles with britain and would have jumped at the first real chance to secede from the forced union.

[Tingkai]

Originally posted by Geronimo
There was a deeply ingrained misconception immediately following the war and up to the present that the US won the war due to the outcome of the (irrelevant to the outcome of the war) battle of new orleans.

Not in Canada. We know the just side won.

In many ways, the war of 1812 marked the beginning of Canada. English, French and Indians, blacks and whites, Catholics and Protestants were united in the fight against an unprovoked attack.

Had it not been for the war, Canadians might have chosen to join the US. Instead, the American atrocities and throwing back the invaders became part of the Canadian mythology.

[Pyrodrew]

Originally posted by notyoueither
As a wise man once said, we're bigger and we're on top That would make you the *****.

That analogy doesn't work because at the same time Mexico is below the US and more countries below that... at best it's just wild orgy and you're the fat pale chick who jumped on last because no one wanted to jump on you.

[Tingkai]

Originally posted by Geronimo


Aye, all's well that ends well. Had the war of 1812 resulted in some sort of annexation of Canada like the annexations following the mexican war I suspect the presence of that loyalist population would have meant that Lincoln would have faced a two front war of secession involving the north as well as the south. I don't think the population of Canada would have ever accepted rule from washington regardless of the outcome of the battles with britain and would have jumped at the first real chance to secede from the forced union.

You could be right. It would depend a lot on immigration patterns after 1815. An occupied Canada might be flooded with American immigrants and the Loyalists might have returned to Britain.

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by Pyrodrew


That analogy doesn't work because at the same time Mexico is below the US and more countries below that... at best it's just wild orgy and you're the fat pale chick who jumped on last because no one wanted to jump on you.

You could be right, but we seem to be screwing you on a couple of accounts, so you'd still be the *****.

[Geronimo]

Originally posted by Tingkai


Not in Canada. We know the just side won.

In many ways, the war of 1812 marked the beginning of Canada. English, French and Indians, blacks and whites, Catholics and Protestants were united in the fight against an unprovoked attack.

Had it not been for the war, Canadians might have chosen to join the US. Instead, the American atrocities and throwing back the invaders became part of the Canadian mythology.

It is strange that canadians see the war of 1812 as a victory of canada over the US while the US views the so called french and indian war as a british victory over the French. It's also interesting that while the french and indian war doesnt seem to have done much to unite the 13 colonies, Canadians report that war of 1812 served to unite them even though both wars occured before either was a country and even though both wars were essentially british wars involving british colonies. From whence comes these differing effects I wonder?

[Geronimo]

Originally posted by notyoueither


You could be right, but we seem to be screwing you on a couple of accounts, so you'd still be the *****.

It doesn't really matter which is the ***** so long as we are both enjoying it does it?

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by Geronimo
It is strange that canadians see the war of 1812 as a victory of canada over the US while the US views the so called french and indian war as a british victory over the French. It's also interesting that while the french and indian war doesnt seem to have done much to unite the 13 colonies, Canadians report that war of 1812 served to unite them even though both wars occured before either was a country and even though both wars were essentially british wars involving british colonies. From whence comes these differing effects I wonder?

We continued, and some continue, to see ourselves as part of the Empire.

One Flag, One fleet, One Empire!

In that context, WE beat your ass.

[Geronimo]

Originally posted by Tingkai


You could be right. It would depend a lot on immigration patterns after 1815. An occupied Canada might be flooded with American immigrants and the Loyalists might have returned to Britain.

American immigrants tended to immigrant to Canada for political reasons I think. A US-Canada forced marriage might have seen some canadians leave but the flood of US immigration was going to continue to be to be not to Canada but rather to the more inviting (warmer) territories in the US west. It's hard to imagine the Canadians not choosing to leave on the heels of the southern states and just as hard not to imagine the UK which was neutral in the civil war instead siding with the canadian/southern secession.

[Geronimo]

-DP-

[Pyrodrew]

Originally posted by notyoueither
You could be right, but we seem to be screwing you on a couple of accounts, so you'd still be the *****.

The War of 1812 happened when both countries were kids, "I gave you a black eye when I was 5!"
"Yeah, but you were 6 & I left a scar on you!"
It's all rather silly and really doesn't represent the countries in the present day.

Screwing implies present tense... I've not seen any present day stories of Canada screwing anyone much less the US. If anything it is always the US who is perceived as making "b!tches" for it's own selfish reasons (Iraq is our current b!tch some would say), whereas Canada is the fat chick not getting any.

[Geronimo]

Originally posted by notyoueither


We continued, and some continue, to see ourselves as part of the Empire.

One Flag, One fleet, One Empire!

In that context, WE beat your ass.

I never heard this before. Very interesting. Does that mean Canadians see the original revolutionary war as somehow a defeat for Canada?