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  • I spent nine years - over half my life, to date - in Tennessee, PLATO. I know whereof I speak.

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    • Originally posted by Kuciwalker
      I spent nine years - over half my life, to date - in Tennessee, PLATO. I know whereof I speak.
      Really? I didn't know that. What part?
      "I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you're not patriotic. We should stand up and say we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration." - Hillary Clinton, 2003

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      • A suburb of Nashville.

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        • I'm sorry but the opinions of a nine year old of a place carry less weight than a person much older.
          I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
          For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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          • It takes less than nine years to tell that Tennessee - for that matter, the entire south - is a hole.

            I escaped just to the edge. I live in Northern Virginia, an island of civilization

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            • Again I trust the opinions of a 9 year old as far as I can throw them.
              I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
              For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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              • I bet you could throw a 9 year old pretty far.
                ~ If Tehben spits eggs at you, jump on them and throw them back. ~ Eventis ~ Eventis Dungeons & Dragons 6th Age Campaign: Chapter 1, Chapter 2, Chapter 3, Chapter 4: (Unspeakable) Horror on the Hill ~

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                • Originally posted by DinoDoc
                  Again I trust the opinions of a 9 year old as far as I can throw them.
                  I'm not nine now, obviously

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                  • Just curious - is it normal in the US that a big newspaper openly recommends to vote for a certain candidate in the election? If I'm not totally wrong this would cause a strong reaction in most Euro countries (well, at least here in Germany). Not that I have something against voting for Kerry, it just surprises me.
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                    • Yes. It happens quite regularly.
                      I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
                      For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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                      • Originally posted by Kuciwalker
                        A suburb of Nashville.
                        That's where I am right now. I live in Franklin. I have lived in Tenneesee for most of my 42 years (damn...I'm getting old!) and have lived in Memphis, Nashville, Knoxville, and I married a girl from Chattanooga once. Tennessee has many different faces, but overall it is one of the more beautiful States. The cities are vibrant and progressive (well, maybe Knoxville isn't so progressive), the people are friendly, taxes are low, and jobs are easy to find. Why would you think it is a hole?
                        "I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you're not patriotic. We should stand up and say we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration." - Hillary Clinton, 2003

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                        • Originally posted by BeBro
                          Just curious - is it normal in the US that a big newspaper openly recommends to vote for a certain candidate in the election? If I'm not totally wrong this would cause a strong reaction in most Euro countries (well, at least here in Germany). Not that I have something against voting for Kerry, it just surprises me.
                          Supposedly they can keep an editorial bias out of their factual reporting.
                          "I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you're not patriotic. We should stand up and say we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration." - Hillary Clinton, 2003

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                          • Originally posted by BeBro
                            Just curious - is it normal in the US that a big newspaper openly recommends to vote for a certain candidate in the election? If I'm not totally wrong this would cause a strong reaction in most Euro countries (well, at least here in Germany). Not that I have something against voting for Kerry, it just surprises me.
                            All newspapers endorse candidates.

                            As to the NYTimes, it is a Democrat paper, meaning, it probably has never endorsed a Republican in its entire existence (and this probably includes Eisenhower as well.)
                            http://tools.wikimedia.de/~gmaxwell/jorbis/JOrbisPlayer.php?path=John+Williams+The+Imperial+M arch+from+The+Empire+Strikes+Back.ogg&wiki=en

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                            • BeBro, you think thats bad (from election '92):

                              One day Canada will rule the world, and then we'll all be sorry.

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                              • I went through quite some elections in this country and have seen a plethora of campaign advertisements on the streets. Mainly posters. Or flyers distributed by the parties. And I have seen a lot of silly things in peoples windows and front gardens. Recently even a Ferrari flag. But I have never -ever- seen a private person advertising for a political party or a candidate on their private property. Not even party members do this. Same goes for people going from door to door. There are a lot of people doing this, be it from insurances, Jehova witnesses or similar nut cases. But never -ever- tried somebody ringing at my door to influence my decision for upcoming elections. If it would happen, I would probably be stunned for a short moment, and then do something very unpleasant with this person. And the party in question would be out for at least the next three elections.
                                Indeed, this is a pretty big contrast.

                                In the US, politics is considered to be more important than selling insurance, encyclopedias, or vacuum cleaners, and is therefore normally exempt from social pressure to abstain from such stuff.

                                I've done some door-to-door work and found it rewarding. You have some people who aren't happy to see you, but on the whole, the response is generally proportionate to how the person on the other end is predisposed to view your candidate. If the candidate himself does the door-to-door visits, then this is generally considered to be a very good thing -- the candidate is working hard for your vote and is willing to go the extra mile for his prospective constituents.

                                On the other hand, I'm just talking about small town US and the suburbs. Politics in the city seems to be not as personal.
                                I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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