Chirac warns of 'catastrophe' of world 'choked' by US values

[Dis]

this is all much ado about nothing.

when the american economy totally collapses, none of this will mean ****. I predict that will happen in about 20 to 30 years.

America will no longer be a dominant superpower. mark my words. Consequently, their culture will no longer dominate.

[Fake Boris]

A point that people tend to forget in this thread is that America is always pushing forward to make culture a consumer product like everything else, so that it can be included in trade agreements like the FTAA, or that organizations like the WTC can regulate it.

Many people in the world are happy to trade with the US, but when it comes to culture they are reluctant to treat it as a consumer good, with reason. Of course most Americans, not being on the receiving end of the cultural steamroller can't seem to understand this.

I personnally expect opposition in America to stir up the day Chinese culture starts to spread seriously (that is, if it's not absorbed by capitalism beforehand).

[Sprayber]

Originally posted by Oncle Boris


And I suppose that they don't have more money than the Vietnamese ones to do so.

Who's faut is if the Vietnamese prefer American products over their own? Hell we used to bomb their cities and now they buy our ****. Idiot

[Last Conformist]

Originally posted by Geronimo


Ah! But we did lose it didn't we? The Athenians lost to the Spartans and their democracy was totally expunged as a consequence of that war. We do not need to maintain cultures in active duty to call them up out of the reserves at a later date.

Well, let's get things straight. The Spartan-imposed oligarchy was toppled in short order, and democracy restored. It eventually withered away under the weight of Macedonian and Roman imperial control.

[Fake Boris]

Originally posted by DanS
Yep. So what? Quebecois culture is in no way threatened by this. Y'all may feel threatened by it, but the fear is only backed up by an illusion.

So I suspect that you may explain me how it is an illusion that lack of market and funding for local artists does not hinder local culture?

[Tingkai]

Originally posted by Geronimo


So what?

That's the spirit

[Geronimo]

Originally posted by Last Conformist

Well, let's get things straight. The Spartan-imposed oligarchy was toppled in short order, and democracy restored. It eventually withered away under the weight of Macedonian and Roman imperial control.

It was crippled by its defeat in much the same way that byzantium was crippled by the fourth crusade

I think it could have achieved permanence if not for that war.

[Fake Boris]

Originally posted by Sprayber


Who's faut is if the Vietnamese prefer American products over their own? Hell we used to bomb their cities and now they buy our ****. Idiot

Cultural steamrolling, doofus. Free market does not always result in the customer truly having the choice.

How is a Vietnamese with $500,000 to make a film is supposed to rival Spielberg superproduction? if his government doesn't support him he will just die.

[Tingkai]

Originally posted by Geronimo


Crouching Tiger made it to a theater near me. Any decent foreign film (ie that audiences actually like to see) will succeed here.

That was just an okay movie from an HK perspesctive, something specifically designe dor American audiences.

If you want to see a good HK movie, try Shaolin Soccer.

[alva]

While I'd like to do something about it just to spite brats like Kuci, there's really little point to try.

Just a fashion, there will be a counter movement at some point.

If Bollywood takes over here it will be because we have been watching their movies en masse. In which case why would we piss and moan about the indians? Instead those who didn't like the bollywood influence will piss and moan about the lousy taste of their fellow movie goers.

I just took the Bollywood thingy because some-else used it, but what if half the US speaks Spanish only..?

[Sprayber]

Originally posted by Oncle Boris


When was the last time that a Finnish movie played in a theater near you? A French one? A Russian one?

ive seen plenty of foreign stuff. some of it I like and some of it is ****. just like American films. Where are the large French movie companies?

I am not going to feel sorry just because people in other countries can't resist the urge to see American films or eat American food. And I'm especially not going to pay attention to someone like Chirac who is far less concerned about the native cultures of the world than missing an opportunity to say something negative about the US.

[Sprayber]

Originally posted by Oncle Boris


Cultural steamrolling, doofus. Free market does not always result in the customer truly having the choice.

How is a Vietnamese with $500,000 to make a film is supposed to rival Spielberg superproduction? if his government doesn't support him he will just die.

Listen *******, you don't have to be such an elitist *****. If you want to talk then fine but your condesending attitude is the reason why people dont pay attention to you.

If the Vietnamese fall for american advertising at the expense of their own culture then their culture isn't worth much as far as I can see.

[Geronimo]

Originally posted by Oncle Boris


Cultural steamrolling, doofus. Free market does not always result in the customer truly having the choice.

How is a Vietnamese with $500,000 to make a film is supposed to rival Spielberg superproduction? if his government doesn't support him he will just die.

How about by hiring local actors instead of grossly overpaid hollywood superstar spoiled brats?

Even believable special effects are becoming cheaper and cheaper by the year. There is no reason that he could not compete in a wide variety of genres without making another Waterworld or other obnoxiously overpriced excuse for a movie.

[Tingkai]

Originally posted by Sprayber
And I'm especially not going to pay attention to someone like Chirac who is far less concerned about the native cultures of the world than missing an opportunity to say something negative about the US.

Chirac didn't say anything negative about the US... this time.

[Sprayber]

Originally posted by Tingkai




Chirac didn't say anything negative about the US... this time.

(if its good enougy for your arguments)