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    What Were They Thinking? Nobel Goes to Porn-Writing Phobic

    Oct. 12 (Bloomberg) -- ``Who?'' In the English-speaking world, the Swedish Academy's announcement last week that Elfriede Jelinek had won the Nobel Prize in literature produced widespread incredulity.

    Actually, the announcement produced two sorts of incredulity. The first, more widespread and benign, was among those who had never heard of the 57-year-old Austrian novelist and playwright. Despite the fact that her 1983 novel ``The Piano Teacher'' was made into a repellent 2001 movie starring Isabelle Huppert, Jelinek is barely known in the U.S. (Unscientific confirmation: five large bookstores in the towns of Boston; Westport and Norwalk in Connecticut; and New Paltz, New York, turned up only one copy of a Jelinek title.)

    The incredulity among those who didn't know Jelinek's work was nothing compared with the incredulity, heavily seasoned by outrage, among those who did. Jelinek's particular brand of kinkiness tends to the sadomasochistic.

    The official Nobel ``bio-bibliography'' ( http://nobelprize.org/literature/laureates/2004/jelinek - bibl.html) says that in her novel ``Lust'' (1989), Jelinek ``lets her social analysis swell to fundamental criticism of civilization by describing sexual violence against women as the actual template for our culture.'' That is just lit-crit-speak for an exhibition of pornographic violence.

    In ``The Piano Teacher,'' for example, an apparently prim Erika Kohut teaches at the Vienna Conservatory and lives with her emotionally suffocating mother.

    Life of Fantasies

    Erika has an active and unpleasant fantasy life, which she finally gets to share with Walter Klemmer, a nasty piece of work, who reads her deranged letters and becomes a willing collaborator in Erika's degradation. Pleads Erika: ``draw the belt in at least two or three notches, the tighter the better. There'll be old nylons lying around. Just stuff them into my mouth as deep as you can and gag me so cunningly that I can't emit the slightest peep.''

    Klemmer unleashes a self-destructive passion in Erika and terrible prose upon the reader. Klemmer ``gnaws on her lips, his tongue plumbs her depths. He burrows around in Erika's innards as if he wanted to take them out, prepare them in a new way.'' Most of ``The Piano Teacher'' cannot be quoted in a mainstream news service, but you get the picture.

    Ad Nauseum

    Brutalizing sex would not be enough to attract the attention of the judges in Stockholm. A certain artiness is helpful -- the judges spoke in their official citation of Jelinek's ``musical flow of voices and counter-voices'' and ``extraordinary linguistic zeal.'' What the reader actually finds is an irritating literariness: the Marquis de Sade on a prolix day.

    Jelinek's indispensable appeal is her politics. Her Web site notes she was a member of the Communist Party from 1974 to 1991. As the political commentator Stephen Schwartz pointed out in a piece on Jelinek in the Weekly Standard: ``After Soviet troops were withdrawn from the occupation zone of Austria in 1955, the Austrian Communist Party was little more than a KGB network.'' Jelinek left the party only when Moscow, reeling from the breakup of its empire, withdrew financial support.

    If members of the Swedish Academy applauded works like ``The Piano Teacher,'' it was surely ``Bambiland'' (2003) that captured their hearts. One member of the Nobel committee enthusiastically praised the play as an exploration of ``how patriotic enthusiasm turns into insanity.'' What it really reveals is how reliably extreme left-wing sentiment turns into a simpleminded anti-U.S. diatribe.

    Staying Home

    Jelinek is given to preening gestures. In 2000, when the right-wing Freedom Party came to power in Austria, Jelinek prohibited the performance of her plays there, explaining that ``My words will have an effect in that they won't be heard anymore.'' She also has announced that because of a ``social phobia'' she won't travel to Stockholm to receive her award, though unlike Jean-Paul Sartre she has not gone so far as to refuse it.

    There have been some worthy recipients of the Nobel Prize in literature in recent years: J.M. Coetzee, V.S. Naipaul, Seamus Heaney and Joseph Brodsky to name a few.

    Far too often, though, the prize has been lavished on literary mediocrities who happen to fulfill some geographical, ethnic or other non-artistic criterion, from Pearl S. Buck in 1938 to Camilo Jose Cela (1989) and Nadine Gordimer (1991). (There was much speculation that Philip Roth might win it this year; why didn't he?)

    Even more troubling are those Nobels that are essentially politically correct badges of honor. Elfriede Jelinek joins left- wing fringe figures like Jose Saramago (1998) and Dario Fo (1997): writers whose works are political sermons masquerading as literature. Jelinek's innovation is to introduce a vicious sexual obsession into the infatuation with Communism. It is an unedifying amalgam.
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    • French music sold extremely well in stores shortly after that. Some excellent bands arose and became famous. It was a complete renewal of French rock for instance, and a blossom of French rap. I like to tell it was like a "rain in the desert".


      So, you're essentially saying that the French government is subsidizing (for want of a better word) local variants of American musical forms?

      Bravo! :clapping:

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      • Saras, Jelinek appears to be typical communist, wracked with self-hate and hatred of America, two virtues the left admires the most.
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        • Originally posted by Tingkai
          Classic double-talk: You complain that I'm attacking the man instead of the argument and then you say his argument is right because he is a great man.




          You haven't provided an argument. When two people assert opposite things, and one of them doesn't provide any argument at all, I can justifiably go with the other person if that other person is an authority on the subject. However, if that one person's argument is simply an ad hominem against the authority on the topic (who, by the way, provided arguments and presumably has actually RESEARCHED THE TOPIC and has managed to publish his findings, as opposed to meraly posting them on the internet), I can rightfully call you an idiot.

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          • Originally posted by Sandman
            It ain't not poor grammar. It's acceptable in polite Southern society.

            According to thee, the seventeenth century English used words like 'ain't' like Southerners. Why do the Southerners not use other seventeenth century words? Why aren't words like 'thee', 'shalt' and 'knave' used by Southerners?


            Because not all words have survived?

            Furthermore, why don't recordings of English accents from one hundred years ago sound more like Southerners?


            The English deliberately started changing their accent after the American Revolution.

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            • Originally posted by Kuciwalker
              Furthermore, why don't recordings of English accents from one hundred years ago sound more like Southerners?


              The English deliberately started changing their accent after the American Revolution.
              Why would they do that?
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              • I trust you mean Americans changed their accent? After all it was they who were trying to assert their independence?
                One day Canada will rule the world, and then we'll all be sorry.

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                • Originally posted by JohnT
                  So, you're essentially saying that the French government is subsidizing (for want of a better word) local variants of American musical forms?

                  Bravo! :clapping:
                  French rap has built its own identity, topics, and content. No one said that a musical style was bad in itself. (edit) just because it emerged in America.
                  Last edited by Fake Boris; October 16, 2004, 11:02.
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                  • Originally posted by Oerdin
                    Some subsidizing of culture can be good as long as it doesn't become the norm. Market forces have to dominate otherwise you end up in a situation where even with the subsidies no one wants to see the movie.
                    Errr... that's the point of subsidies, helping those who create culture that isn't meant to me marketable. On the long run, these movies end up being more popular, but probably never to the point that Hollywood movies are.


                    Can anyone remember French movies in the 1980's? They were massively subsidized but all of the money went to the same tired old directers who kept producing highly "artistic" (read: boring) movies with the same plot line. That meant that even with subsidies the French film industry was in the toilet.
                    So France didn't make anything in the 80s? Revise your cinema books, that was the golden age of deconstruction and distanciation.
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                    • And yet it's still derivative...

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                      • Originally posted by Kuciwalker

                        Because not all words have survived?

                        The English deliberately started changing their accent after the American Revolution.
                        Right. So whilst words and grammatical structures have changed, disappeared or emerged, the accent has stayed the same? This strikes me as rather unlikely.

                        As for 'the English' changing their accent after the American Revolution, that seems downright nonsense. Who 'deliberately' changed the accent? The government? The upper classes? The ordinary people?

                        And all this is still ignoring the other nations of the United Kingdom and the regional variation of accents within England.

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                        • Originally posted by JohnT
                          And yet it's still derivative...
                          But it's French and therefore new and exciting! Who cares if it only survives becuase of subsidies.
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                          • Originally posted by Sandman
                            Who 'deliberately' changed the accent? . . . The upper classes?


                            Asked and answered! As nationalism became a dominent ideology in Europe, the ruling classes decided that the nation's needed a single language, rather than a different dialect every twenty miles. In nearly every European country, efforts were underway in the 18th and 19th Century to standardize the national language.
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                            • Originally posted by chegitz guevara
                              Originally posted by Sandman
                              Who 'deliberately' changed the accent? . . . The upper classes?


                              Asked and answered! As nationalism became a dominent ideology in Europe, the ruling classes decided that the nation's needed a single language, rather than a different dialect every twenty miles. In nearly every European country, efforts were underway in the 18th and 19th Century to standardize the national language.
                              If the upper classes altered the national accent to make it more uniform how is it possible that the English all had southern accents when that would suggest that they already had a uniform accent and would not have felt any need to standarise it to make it uniform?

                              Something about this claim to know precisely what accent the english had hundreds of years before the first audio recording and that this original accent was a dead ringer for a miraculously unchanged modern accent seems to seriously stretch credibility.

                              At best I would suppose, we can possibly find evidence to suggest that a southern accent has changed less over this expanse of time than any other accent but even that would require some spectacularly comprehensive evidence to back up.

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                              • just because it emerged in America.
                                "Emerged" in America? This is a funny way of putting it.
                                I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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