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Originally posted by Jaguar
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Laugh it up. If you were listening to NPR about an hour before the debate a panel listed a bunch of things Edwards should do to make the right impression in this debate. Edwards did everything they said, its as if he was listening. He may have been, it was uncanny. -
Declining to answer can work.Originally posted by JimmyCracksCorn
It gave Edwards presence, and was a striking contrast to Cheney who even declined to answer a bunch of questions or gave one word answers."You're the biggest user of hindsight that I've ever known. Your favorite team, in any sport, is the one that just won. If you were a woman, you'd likely be a slut." - Slowwhand, to Imran
Eschewing silly games since December 4, 2005Comment
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To again pull a Mr Fun on a Mr Fun thread, here's my original responce to the other thread:
I missed some of the middle, but from what I saw I'd definately give the edge to Cheney. He was more focused and he flowed much better. Edwards sounded like he was stringing together memorized sound bites rather than responding to the question or Cheney (but at least he had a hell of a lot more sound bites to string together than Bush so he wasn't anywhere near as hellishly repetitive). Again and again he brought up things completely out of left field that got really annoying.
Would definately give Cheney the win in the first half and thought that Edwards recovered a bit and came fairly close to evening it up in the second, but still if you're honest you've got to give it to Cheney.Ya, Imran is a smart man. Wouldn't go as far as cleaned up though, Cheney won by less than Kerry did.Well from what I read by people so far (left and right), Cheney cleaned up. Told you so .
Yeah, that was Edward's best line. Can't belive that nobody's smacked Cheney around with some of that stuff before.Edwards scored a big hit when he illustrated Cheney's Congressional record.
Yeah we have, he sent Pekka a PM and Pekka posted it. He said that Cheney destroyed Edwards.I don't think anyone here is saying Edwards did horribly (although we have yet to hear from Gian), but he could have--should have--done better.
Yeah, what was up with that?he interrupted Cheney once
And I loved how when they had the campaign managers on after the debate the Kerry/Edwards one completely refused to answer a question about Edward's Senate record twice
Stop Quoting BenComment
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Declining to answer can work.
Sometimes it can, such as when he simply thanked Edwards for his comments about Cheney's family. Dick definitely came out the better man in that exchange.
However, declining to answer can also point up the fact that you're caught red-headed, i.e. when Edwards itemized Cheney's Congressional record (Head Start, Meals On Wheels, Nelson Mandela). Cheney's silence after that was deafening."My nation is the world, and my religion is to do good." --Thomas Paine
"The subject of onanism is inexhaustable." --Sigmund FreudComment
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You forgot MLK."Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
-BokononComment
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Same with Edwards on Halliburton, Cheney did **** all to rebut that as well. Too bad Edwards didn't do more of that. He did lose but he got some good stuff in and wasn't embarrassed.Originally posted by Guynemer
Sometimes it can, such as when he simply thanked Edwards for his comments about Cheney's family. Dick definitely came out the better man in that exchange.
However, declining to answer can also point up the fact that you're caught red-headed, i.e. when Edwards itemized Cheney's Congressional record (Head Start, Meals On Wheels, Nelson Mandela). Cheney's silence after that was deafening.Stop Quoting BenComment
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You forgot MLK.
Of course. Jesus. I can't believe Edwards only brought that up once.
They ought to hit that over and over again in the spin to come.
I'd hit it.
"My nation is the world, and my religion is to do good." --Thomas Paine
"The subject of onanism is inexhaustable." --Sigmund FreudComment
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Here's a transcript for those who want it."You're the biggest user of hindsight that I've ever known. Your favorite team, in any sport, is the one that just won. If you were a woman, you'd likely be a slut." - Slowwhand, to Imran
Eschewing silly games since December 4, 2005Comment
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I think if you're looking at "the expectations game", Edwards clearly won. But if you're looking at who actually won the friggen debate, Cheney clearly won."My nation is the world, and my religion is to do good." --Thomas Paine
"The subject of onanism is inexhaustable." --Sigmund FreudComment
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Cheney came off as a chump. He refused to answer questions, he gave two word answers, he was monotonous, he tried to prove Edward's numbers were wrong but Edwards came right back with them, and he looked completely unenthralled the whole time.
Plus he got slammed by the moderator a couple times, like when he said he couldn't answer in 30 seconds and she said "well thats all you've got", or when he said "...Gale... (or whatever her name was)" and she said "...Mr. Vice President...".
He looked really bad and I think America will see that.Comment
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A CNN poll as of right now:
Dick Cheney 18% 27817 votes
John Edwards 77% 120182 votes
Evenly matched 5% 7106 votes
Total: 155105 votes
Big gap.Comment
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wow . . . . . .Originally posted by JimmyCracksCorn
A CNN poll as of right now:
Dick Cheney 18% 27817 votes
John Edwards 77% 120182 votes
Evenly matched 5% 7106 votes
Total: 155105 votes
Big gap.
A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.Comment
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ABC News poll, 509 interviews +/- 4.5
Who won?
(among debate viewers)
Cheney 43%
Edwards 35%
Tie 19%
Vote preference among debate viewers
Before the debate After the debate
Bush/Cheney 51% 50%
Kerry/Edwards 48% 49%
Nader/Camejo <1% 0%
Party ID of debate viewers
Democrats 31%
Republicans 38
Independents 27
CBS News tracked the reactions to tonight's vice-presidential debate of a nationwide panel of 169 uncommitted voters - voters who could change their minds before Election Day. Here are the initial results. This scientific poll has a margin of error of plus or minus 7 percentage points:
By 41% to 29%, uncommitted debate watchers say Edwards won the debate tonight.
"Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
-BokononComment
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And Cheney's closing statement was just godawful.Comment
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A CNN poll as of right now:
Dick Cheney 18% 27817 votes
John Edwards 77% 120182 votes
Evenly matched 5% 7106 votes
Total: 155105 votes
Big gap.
Internet poll, not reliable."Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
-BokononComment
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