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    Martin promises to push Liberal agenda through minority Parliament

    Last Updated Mon, 04 Oct 2004 22:01:40 EDT
    OTTAWA - Canada's first minority Parliament since 1979 opened Monday, a day before the Liberals set out their agenda in a policy-setting throne speech.

    INDEPTH: Minority government

    Opposition leaders Gilles Duceppe, Stephen Harper, and Jack Layton (CP file photo)
    The Liberals won only 135 of the 308 seats in Parliament in the June 28 election, meaning they will have to rely on the Conservatives, New Democrats or Bloc Québécois to pass legislation.

    Although the opposition parties have all indicated they don't want to go to the polls soon, the Conservatives have said they will make the provocative move of introducing amendments to the throne speech.

    Tory Leader Stephen Harper, who complained that the Liberals didn't consult the opposition when they were drafting the throne speech, said the Conservatives will try to force a vote on the amendments his party introduces.

    If the amendments are not accepted, Harper has warned his MPs may vote against the throne speech, which could trigger the collapse of the government if the NDP and Bloc Québécois follow suit.

    Yet Harper said he is in no hurry for a quick election, instead accusing the Liberals of wanting to rush back to the polls.

    "I think the government's strategy will be to have an election as soon as possible," Harper said. "Maybe not this fall, but I think the government wants an election."

    On Friday, Prime Minister Paul Martin said a quick election is "very much dependent on the opposition parties.

    "We've been very open with them, we've made it clear we want it to work. We're prepared to consult with them," Martin said. "We have our agenda. We were elected on our agenda and we intend to carry it through."

    RELATED STORY: Milliken again Speaker of Parliament

    Liberal House leader Tony Valeri, who has to try to keep peace between the four parties in order to keep his party in power without triggering an election, said there is a line the Liberals won't cross.

    "If opposition parties were to come with proposals or initiatives that were completely in contrast to what the government is intending to do, then those are areas that we won't compromise on."

    NDP Leader Jack Layton echoed Valeri's remarks, saying his party "will co-operate but we will not capitulate.

    "What we've seen so far is minimal, absolute minimum communication between Mr. Martin and his ministers and the opposition parties whose support he's going to need to pass legislation," Layton said.

    The last minority government, led by Progressive Conservative Joe Clark in 1979-80, lasted only nine months before it was brought down in a budget vote.

    Written by CBC News Online staff


    Scuttlebutt is that the Tories want to push either the NDP or the BQ into supporting the Liberals. Preferably both, but the BQ are the real targets.

    What I heard was that the Tories hope that the BQ want a crack at as much of the federal money per voter per annum as possible and so will hopefully side with the Liberals consistently whenever the Tories make waves on confidence issues.

    If it works, it's brilliant. The next campaign is fought in Quebec by telling people there that the BQ is only a vote for yet more of the Liberals. While in the ROC the Liberals get tarred with sucking up to seperatists to stay in power. In both cases it is guilt by association.

    Anyway, the thinking goes that the Tories can do nothing but gain by taking their role as Official Opposition seriously and pressing it. All of the Liberals, NDP, and BQ stand only to lose when it is made clear to Canadian voters that a Tory majority is the only way to actually change governments in Ottawa.

    It's gonna be an interesting couple of years. I'm glad Harper stuck around.
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    American politics is far more interesting
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    • #3
      Only cuz we can nuke yo azz.
      No, I did not steal that from somebody on Something Awful.

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      • #4
        The Bloc definitely doesn't want an election, as it is standing on its excellent score of 54 MPs (who want to stay there as long as possible, as to become eligible to the generous MP retirement pension).

        The Tory strategy of linking the Bloc with the Liberals is quite astute, but this won't win them any seat in Quebec (though it might as well be what they need to get Ontario). If this degenerates into too much Quebec bashing, separatist sentiment will rise again.

        It all depends on how they get things done, but if the Tories manage to seize the government without any MP in Quebec (possible) this just might give a lot of ammunition to the PQ. Even with their so-called desire of decentralization, I doubt that their right wing agenda will be warmly greeted in Quebec.
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        • #5
          Originally posted by Comrade Tassadar
          American politics is far more interesting
          Far more shrill, that's for sure.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by Comrade Tassadar
            American politics is far more interesting
            Actually American politics at the domestic level is super-boring, even more so than Canada.
            In Soviet Russia, Fake borises YOU.

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            • #7
              We don't have an annoying French province. That makes us better by default.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by DinoDoc
                We don't have an annoying French province. That makes us better by default.
                Well, you have an annoying Texan "province", which kind of neutralises your point.
                American politics is more interesting in that it seemingly reads from a dystopian fiction novel instead of as actual news

                Russian politics is even more interesting though because then we see overt totalitarianism
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                • #9
                  The French province puts the Texican province to shame. The Texicans would never try and hold the country hostage with thier whining the way the French have the Canadians. Give into our demands or we'll leave. Don't let the door hit them on the way out I say!
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Oncle Boris
                    The Bloc definitely doesn't want an election, as it is standing on its excellent score of 54 MPs (who want to stay there as long as possible, as to become eligible to the generous MP retirement pension).

                    The Tory strategy of linking the Bloc with the Liberals is quite astute, but this won't win them any seat in Quebec (though it might as well be what they need to get Ontario). If this degenerates into too much Quebec bashing, separatist sentiment will rise again.

                    It all depends on how they get things done, but if the Tories manage to seize the government without any MP in Quebec (possible) this just might give a lot of ammunition to the PQ. Even with their so-called desire of decentralization, I doubt that their right wing agenda will be warmly greeted in Quebec.
                    Well, it would be a shame if the Tories are as dead as you say they are in Quebec. It would be the end of the country, most likely. Quebec has to choose a federalist alternative to the Liberals or the nation is toast. We will be stuck between increasing Liberal temptation (corruption) and alienation of a significant part of the nation. My money is on federalists coming to senses sooner rather than later, like after a 60% 'Oui' vote.

                    The NDs could have an outside chance of usurping the Tories' traditional role as alternative to give the Liberals a break from power. Real long shot though.
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                    • #11
                      Torries being able to win a significant number of seats in Quebec
                      Stop Quoting Ben

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Boshko
                        Torries being able to win a significant number of seats in Quebec
                        You mean like when they formed two easy majorities in a row in the 80's?

                        They don't need a significant number, btw. They just need enough to have representaion there and a cabinet minister or two.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by notyoueither


                          You mean like when they formed two easy majorities in a row in the 80's?

                          They don't need a significant number, btw. They just need enough to have representaion there and a cabinet minister or two.
                          That was before the Bloc broke away.
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                          • #14
                            Montreal and the area around Ottawa could easily return the needed 6 to 10 MPs.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Boshko

                              That was before the Bloc broke away.
                              Quebec voters are expert at playing the system. They make everyone else look like amatuers when it comes to strategic voting.

                              When the life of the nation is in the balance, I have faith in the federalists of Quebec to do what is necessary to keep the nation together. That will mean allowing the Tories out of the penalty box, eventually.
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