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Originally posted by Whaleboy
An existential dichotomy. Sex, violence
An existential dichotomy. Sex, violence
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No dichotomy there buddy
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Make 'im 'ave it!Originally posted by Giancarlo
I'm sorry you lose. Bend over.
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We were using the analogy earlier. Fez said that pot would destroy society, Asher took the mick and said that so would gay marriage. Fez has been trying to say that its different, since you choose to smoke pot, you don't choose who you love. I've been refuting him by saying that your own personal inclination, whether it be toward a particular person or to a particular substance, is irrelevant, since the state can't legistlate thoughts. You choose to engage in a relationship, you choose to smoke. You can't choose who you love or your own chemical desires.*ALL* my mates smoke pot (I'm the only one out of 7 or 8 who doesn't) and I don't think any of them are gay, I don't think theres a connection....
For the record, I'm pro weed and pro gay rights, we were just using it as an analogy... it's all based on Asher's jest."I work in IT so I'd be buggered without a computer" - Words of wisdom from Provost Harrison
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Am I the only person who doesn't trust you with a baton?No you haven't. You failed in countering my claims with your ridiculous statements. You can't have a relationship with pot, as pot isn't a person. I'm sorry you lose. Bend over.
The dichotomy is in the plot, not the themes. The dichotomy is a relationship, and a war. Sounds like I'm parodying Tolstoy but that wouldn't be fair. Would take a while to explain.No dichotomy there buddy"I work in IT so I'd be buggered without a computer" - Words of wisdom from Provost Harrison
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I can, cocaine and Jennifer EllisionOriginally posted by Whaleboy
You can't choose who you love or your own chemical desires.
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Damn you, I said I was just joking. I wasn't serious about that. I said I don't care if you use pot or not later... it isn't of my concern. If you want to do so, fine with me. Just keep it out of my way. I'm gay. That isn't a personal inclination. Yes I choose to engage in a relationship, but what is at issue here is that a relationship is not in any way like pot. Homosexuality not in any way like pot. You are not born to smoke pot, and you can stop smoking pot. You can't stop being attracted to the same sex.Originally posted by Whaleboy
We were using the analogy earlier. Fez said that pot would destroy society, Asher took the mick and said that so would gay marriage. Fez has been trying to say that its different, since you choose to smoke pot, you don't choose who you love. I've been refuting him by saying that your own personal inclination, whether it be toward a particular person or to a particular substance, is irrelevant, since the state can't legistlate thoughts. You choose to engage in a relationship, you choose to smoke. You can't choose who you love or your own chemical desires.
For the record, I'm pro weed and pro gay rights, we were just using it as an analogy... it's all based on Asher's jest.
Your statements are the most ridiculous I have ever heard from people here.For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)Comment
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I can, cocaine and Jennifer Ellision
Touché. Having said that, her face looks way too crunched up, but then, who cares about her face!!!
Fez, I was using the two to demonstrate that where intent and consequence is concerned, you could use anything. Hunger pangs as choice of food, clothes - shirt or jumper, facial hair - gillette or fisher price.... see what I'm getting at?.
"I work in IT so I'd be buggered without a computer" - Words of wisdom from Provost Harrison
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She's got that rare quality of looking pretty *AND* filthyOriginally posted by Whaleboy
Touché. Having said that, her face looks way too crunched up, but then, who cares about her face!!!
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The man has a point
"I work in IT so I'd be buggered without a computer" - Words of wisdom from Provost Harrison
"You can be wrong AND jewish" - Wiglaf :love:Comment
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No you utterly failed.Originally posted by Whaleboy
Fez, I was using the two to demonstrate that where intent and consequence is concerned, you could use anything. Hunger pangs as choice of food, clothes - shirt or jumper, facial hair - gillette or fisher price.... see what I'm getting at?.
For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)Comment
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Tell ya what, go and read Kant and Mill, then come back to me!
I'm off to bed 
"I work in IT so I'd be buggered without a computer" - Words of wisdom from Provost Harrison
"You can be wrong AND jewish" - Wiglaf :love:Comment
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Read the Prince by Niccolo Machiavelli.Originally posted by Whaleboy
Tell ya what, go and read Kant and Mill, then come back to me! I'm off to bed
For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)Comment
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I'll grant you that there is a desire to smoke pot is in some way comparable to a desire to have a relationship.Originally posted by Whaleboy
Pot smoking is comparable to engaging in a relationship.... the act. The desire to smoke pot is comparable to the desire for another person (love). Simple isn't it?
I'll grant you that smoking pot is in some vague way comparable to having a relationship (achieving above desires).
That doesn't not make them interchangeable in terms of significance, in terms of how ingrained they might be in someone's genetics or biology, or in any significant way.
You arguement could be just as easily used with the desire to kill and killing someone.
There are different levels of desire, and some desires are more easily controlled or eliminated than others.
So, in the strict sense, these two things are *comparable*, but they aren't equivalent or interchangeable in any signficant way.
Oh, and Mill would agree with me; maybe you should go read him again.
-Drachasor
PS. I might not agree with Giancarlo on many things, but you guys should hijack his thread with insults and an arguement that goes on forever. I don't think it is very considerate of your fellow poster, especially since there was nothing offensive about the original post as far as I can see. He didn't start an arguement with that post, so you should either not post or try to be polite. Civility is a good thing."If there's a child on the south side of Chicago who can't read, that matters to me, even if it's not my child. If there's a senior citizen somewhere who can't pay for her prescription and has to choose between medicine and the rent, that makes my life poorer, even if it's not my grandmother. If there's an Arab American family being rounded up without benefit of an attorney or due process, that threatens my civil liberties. It's that fundamental belief -- I am my brother's keeper, I am my sister's keeper -- that makes this country work." - Barack ObamaComment
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If you knew anything about the poster, you'd understand the reaction to this thread.
The relationship/gay vs pot thing was introduced with respect to Republican ideals and inconsistent opinions, and was intended mostly in a mockery of Giancarlo's ridiculously inconsistent opinions."The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
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I understand that, and I know and knew that about the poster.
I just don't think a thread where he is trying to share some personal aspect of his life is the place to be forcing such a debate. Everyone deserves a little space and deference here and there. Frankly, I think it was just a bunch of people who enjoy giving him a hard time--that's how it looks, anyhow.
-Drachasor"If there's a child on the south side of Chicago who can't read, that matters to me, even if it's not my child. If there's a senior citizen somewhere who can't pay for her prescription and has to choose between medicine and the rent, that makes my life poorer, even if it's not my grandmother. If there's an Arab American family being rounded up without benefit of an attorney or due process, that threatens my civil liberties. It's that fundamental belief -- I am my brother's keeper, I am my sister's keeper -- that makes this country work." - Barack ObamaComment
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