Iran has strategic missle -- threatens Israel

[GePap]

Originally posted by Sirotnikov
Just think that if Iran gets nukes - it will be untouchable.

Just like NK is currently.


As president putin once said: Just because one country (Israel) is pruported to be a nuclear state, doesn't mean we need new ones.


And if you have any doubts about Iran: It is among the major sponsors of anti-Israeli terrorism. It is also still very much ideologically resistant to the "zionist" presence in the middle east/

1. Why isn't Israel "untouchable" then, if it is nuclear?
2. We don't need any nuclear powers at all- the idea of nuclear apartheid does not really work.
3. Correct about the third point, but it goes back to the first- why does anyone think Iran will hit a nuclear Israel? And with Israel threatening to attack Iran, and having the capability to do so, why shouldn't the Iranians prepare?

[GePap]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten

And air power has never won a war. Yes, we can bomb the **** out of most anyone, and it won't accomplish much of anything.

Who wants a war? I just want to blow the **** out of Iran's nuclear facilities...

Given Iran has several spread out accross the country, such an attack would most likely fail to stop the iranians, and give them every reason to leave the NPT and move to get nukes, while leaving the US not a leg to stand on to try to then institute sanctions.

[Ned]

Originally posted by GePap


Given Iran has several spread out accross the country, such an attack would most likely fail to stop the iranians, and give them every reason to leave the NPT and move to get nukes, while leaving the US not a leg to stand on to try to then institute sanctions.

Clear thinking GePap. Why such an attack by Israel on Iran might even force Iran into supporting terrorism against Israel and into seeking its ultimate destruction!

[GePap]

Originally posted by Ned


Clear thinking GePap. Why such an attack by Israel on Iran might even force Iran into supporting terrorism against Israel and into seeking its ultimate destruction!

Ned. You are losing form.

Answer the simple question Ned, why do you think Israel's nuclear deterent would not work against Iran?

[Ned]

GePap, the Iranians may not attack immediately. But their possession of nuclear weapons would destabalize the situation dramatically as neighboring states could now attack Israel knowing that Israel could no longer resort to nuclear weapons if she started to lose.

[GePap]

Originally posted by Ned
GePap, the Iranians may not attack immediately. But their possession of nuclear weapons would destabalize the situation dramatically as neighboring states could now attack Israel knowing that Israel could no longer resort to nuclear weapons if she started to lose.

That, of course, it utter bull****. Are you telling me under your own logic that israel would allow itself to be destroyed by a conventional attack and not use its nuclear deterent to avoid destruction by Iranian nukes? Last time I looked, destruction = destruction.

Also, that ignores several facts:
1. the Only state that might actually go to war with Israel is Syria and Israel has a massive conventional superiority over Syria. Egypt, SA and Jordan ain't going to do **** vs. Israel.
2. It takes years to make a functioning and trustworthy nuclear missile- the Iranians are nowhere near yet to that.

So before you go off making claims, at least have a clue about the local military balance.

[Drake Tungsten]

While leaving the US not a leg to stand on to try to then institute sanctions.

Why would the US try to institute sanctions? Sanctions are worthless if you want to actually stop Iran from getting nukes.

[Ned]

GePap, I think the Israeli's would surrender or seek terms before using nukes if the Iranians had them.

As to the balance of power today, you are of course correct. But tomorrow could be different.

[GePap]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten

While leaving the US not a leg to stand on to try to then institute sanctions.

Why would the US try to institute sanctions? Sanctions are worthless if you want to actually stop Iran from getting nukes.

Actually, as with Iraq, they would be very usefull in stopping complex machine tools and other necessary equipment from the Iranians. At the least, the Russians would have to stop working on Bushwer (or whatever this reactor is called).

[Drake Tungsten]

North Korea is one of, if not the most heavily sanctioned country in the world, showing us all how effective sanctions really are in preventing a determined nation from gaining WMDs...

[GePap]

Originally posted by Ned
GePap, I think the Israeli's would surrender or seek terms before using nukes if the Iranians had them.

Then you don't understand the Israeli mentality.

As to the balance of power today, you are of course correct. But tomorrow could be different.

How? There really are no current trends which would mean Israel would lose its current military superiority in the region. Even if Iran became nuclear, that would only give it a retaliation abiality- but it has a very limited conventional reach.

[chequita guevara]

Well, when someone, i.e., our ally Pakistan, gives them the plans and equipment, it's kinda hard for sanctions to work.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Ned
GePap, I think the Israeli's would surrender or seek terms before using nukes if the Iranians had them.

Like hell they would. They'd burn the whole ****ing ME before surrendering.

[Drake Tungsten]

Well, when someone, i.e., our ally Pakistan, gives them the plans and equipment, it's kinda hard for sanctions to work.

That's exactly my point. There's always someone who's willing to go against the sanctions, whether it's the Pakistanis, the Russians or the French. Sanctions are worthless for serious problems.

[GePap]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
North Korea is one of, if not the most heavily sanctioned country in the world, showing us all how effective sanctions really are in preventing a determined nation from gaining WMDs...

What the hell are you talking about? Exactly which international sanctions regime exists on NK? Last time I looked China trades freely with NK.