Who the Hell Gives a Cheney About John Kerry in Vietnam: Unfit For Command, Part 5

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

Originally posted by GePap
Yes, he is an independent maverick interested in the affairs of the US and willing to take his deep convictions and turn them into action

OMFGGG! F TEH KKKEEEEEEEEERYY WINZ ITS HOLOCOST!! NUCLEER WAR!!11111111111

HE PUSHZ DA BUTTTONZ!

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Ogie Oglethorpe
Any citizen of the United States, wherever he may be, who, without authority of the United States, directly or indirectly commences or carries on any correspondence or intercourse with any foreign government or any officer or agent thereof, with intent to influence the measures or conduct of any foreign government or of any officer or agent thereof, in relation to any disputes or controversies with the United States, or to defeat the measures of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.

-- U.S. Code, Title 18, Part I, Chapter 45, Section 953: Private correspondence with foreign governments

Let me highlight the relevent parts. Under which of these does Kerry's conduct fall? If Kerry had broken the law, you can be sure that Nixon would have had his ass in Ft. Levenworth.

[rah]

Originally posted by GePap
Yes, he is an independent maverick interested in the affairs of the US and willing to take his deep convictions and turn them into action: unlike the intellectual slug W was before becoming a religious fundie and freak.

And you want the fundie?

You weirdo.

Does this mean you support the like of Timothy McVeigh.
He also took action based on his deep convictions in the interest of the US?

There are many others like him that you should honor based on your definition.

Just who is the weirdo here

[chequita guevara]

Me.

[rah]

Well that's a given

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara


Let me highlight the relevent parts. Under which of these does Kerry's conduct fall? If Kerry had broken the law, you can be sure that Nixon would have had his ass in Ft. Levenworth.

Let me see, he talked with negotiating parties in order to find out their positions only and gave no indication of his positions is what you are describing?

OTOH, He then by proxy comes back and on internationally televised airwaves describes his own positions and signals them accordingly. This defines correspondence and intercourse. Hence the where ever he may be portion of the code.

Pretty clear to me, even if he did not sit at the table and give his consent to Paris delegation which has not been proven or disproven.

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Ogie Oglethorpe
Any citizen of the United States, wherever he may be, who, without authority of the United States, directly or indirectly commences or carries on any correspondence or intercourse with any foreign government or any officer or agent thereof, with intent to influence the measures or conduct of any foreign government or of any officer or agent thereof, in relation to any disputes or controversies with the United States, or to defeat the measures of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.

-- U.S. Code, Title 18, Part I, Chapter 45, Section 953: Private correspondence with foreign governments

Doesn't change the fact that it's not a good thing if our foreign policy depends on keeping the populace ignorant.

Plus, I'd say that law is pretty blatantly unconstitutional.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Ogie Oglethorpe
Let me see, he talked with negotiating parties in order to find out their positions only and gave no indication of his positions is what you are describing?

And you're missing the part where it's only criminal if he's trying to influence the negotiating parties or trying to defeat the United States.

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

He said as much in front of Congress order to pull out ASAP, hence he sure as hell was trying to influence them.

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker

Originally posted by Ogie Oglethorpe
Any citizen of the United States, wherever he may be, who, without authority of the United States, directly or indirectly commences or carries on any correspondence or intercourse with any foreign government or any officer or agent thereof, with intent to influence the measures or conduct of any foreign government or of any officer or agent thereof, in relation to any disputes or controversies with the United States, or to defeat the measures of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.

-- U.S. Code, Title 18, Part I, Chapter 45, Section 953: Private correspondence with foreign governments

Doesn't change the fact that it's not a good thing if our foreign policy depends on keeping the populace ignorant.

Plus, I'd say that law is pretty blatantly unconstitutional.

Then it needs to be struck down by SCOTUS.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Ogie Oglethorpe
He said as much in front of Congress order to pull out ASAP, hence he sure as hell was trying to influence them.

He was trying to influence Congress, not the negotiators. Influencing Congress is legal, at least if you have the money.

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara


He was trying to influence Congress, not the negotiators. Influencing Congress is legal, at least if you have the money.

I disagree completely he was trying to influence the peace process which included both parties.


If he wanted to influence only the senate it should have been done behind closed doors to prevent signalling NV.

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Ogie Oglethorpe
I disagree completely he was trying to influence the peace process which included both parties.


If he wanted to influence only the senate it should have been done behind closed doors to prevent signalling NV.

So now people aren't allowed to freely try and petition Congress in a way that other people could find out?

[chequita guevara]

I guess that must be why Nixon, who hated Kerry's guts and was looking into anyway to get the guy finally was able to send him to prison.

If there was any there there, Kerry would have been convicted of a crime.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Then it needs to be struck down by SCOTUS.

Someone has to sue on the lower end of that Code provision first.