What a bunch of '*****....

[notyoueither]

I went for 5 years without driving. I lived on or near campus. I walked, everywhere. I even let my drivers license expire.

Boy, was that a mistake. When I needed to drive again I faced insurance rates as a new driver with no track record. I payed through the hoop for that one.

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by Dissident


but that doesn't squelch my idea of cities being car free. You could force cities to be car free by- well brute force of course.. The cars could be parked outside the city for when the citizens want to travel to other cities. But car travel in the city would be restricted.

You could move to Mars too. Just isn't very practical.

[Imran Siddiqui]

but that doesn't squelch my idea of cities being car free.

Sure it does. When people want to come to Vegas from, say, California, what are you going to do? Make them all fly? That'd kill your city and you know it.

Restricting car travel may work in Europe, but it'd sink the American economy within days of its implimentation (if not less).

And Vegas is in the middle of the desert. It gets hot there. You need A/C in a lot of American cities and you need heat in a lot of American and Canadian cities just in order to survive a commute.

The first person that tries to stop cars from being in my city, I'll run over with my car .

[notyoueither]

That would be just. Live by the car, die by the car.

[Dis]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui

but that doesn't squelch my idea of cities being car free.

Sure it does. When people want to come to Vegas from, say, California, what are you going to do? Make them all fly? That'd kill your city and you know it.

Restricting car travel may work in Europe, but it'd sink the American economy within days of its implimentation (if not less).

And Vegas is in the middle of the desert. It gets hot there. You need A/C in a lot of American cities and you need heat in a lot of American and Canadian cities just in order to survive a commute.

The first person that tries to stop cars from being in my city, I'll run over with my car .

needing A/C is a myth. I plan on riding a bike to work next summer. And yes, I'll be doing it in the hottest part of the day.

I've decided that when my vehicled finally breaks down, I will not buy another one. (unless plans change like me actually finding a girlfriend- unlikely).

My city has some of the highest insurance rates in the nation. Think of the money I'll be saving.

[notyoueither]

... or oppose tham and die under one.

Either way, works for me.

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by Dissident


needing A/C is a myth. I plan on riding a bike to work next summer. And yes, I'll be doing it in the hottest part of the day.

You and all the other seniors.

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by notyoueither
What do you do if you live 60 miles from your jobsite and don't have mass transit to get there?

Car pool?

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by Dissident
I don't even think you can take a bicycle in the tunnel. Not that I would want to. Those fumes will seriously **** you up.

What generates the fumes? Cars or something else?

[Imran Siddiqui]

needing A/C is a myth.

Needing A/C in 100 degree F (in the shade) weather is a 'myth'. I'd love to see you try.

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by Urban Ranger


Car pool?

With who?

[Tingkai]

Originally posted by notyoueither


Brilliant. And if you work construction and have sites move around on you?

Some people need to mellow out.

IF we designed our cities for people rather than cars, then most construction workers would be able to reach job sites without a car.

The problem in North America is urban sprawl and that leads to a circular argument: We need cars because we have low population densities and we have low population densities because cities are designed for people with cars.

[notyoueither]

Hahahahahahahahahahaha. Ha!

Said someone totally out of touch with life in NA.

Here's a clue. We have low population densities because we have fewer people per square mile than any other developed area of the world.

There is a reason why Calgary doesn't have good train service from Kananaskis. It's called economics.

[notyoueither]

I will admit though that our cities are designed for cars.

However, where are we gonna pull a city of 5 or 10 million out of the blue to plunk down on the praeries to justify a real mass transit system?

We're comparing ourselves to London, a city of 8 to 10 million. That city has a third of the population of the entire nation of Canada and could be comfortably plucked down within the city limits of Edmonton.

[notyoueither]

And the whole country could fit into the space between here and Red Deer. Or close.