What a bunch of '*****....

[MikeH]

They are still allowed, obviously.

http://www.metropoleparis.com/1998/339/339nocar.html

It is a stupid idea though I think personally.

[Tingkai]

Originally posted by Flandrien
Car-free days in Belgium are always on a sunday.
Like for example last sunday in Brussels, Antwerp and Gent.

Sounds like a great idea. How does it work? Are cars just banned from the city core?

[Sprayber]

Originally posted by Rufus T. Firefly
It's also worth pointing out that, if we could bike around our cities safely, we might not be the fattest f*cks in the history of the human race.

You better calm down before you burst a blood vessel, all that healthy living of yours will go to waste


To everyone

Not everyone lives and works in the confines of a city. Some people have to actually go outside the city and cummute. Cars are an absolute necessity for some people especially if they feel like actually living in a place that has a lawn instead of in the middle of an apartment complex. I routinely drive 30 + miles during certain days. I don't feel like taking all ****ing day to get there either.

[Drogue]

Re: What a bunch of '*****....

Originally posted by David Floyd
Wonder how many US cities are participating in that anti-car idiocy? I mean, come on - riding a bike around a major city?

Actually looking at traffic, I laugh at people trying to drive round major cities. I get there twice as fast on a bike, and get my exercise too

[Drogue]

Originally posted by Sprayber
Not everyone lives and works in the confines of a city. Some people have to actually go outside the city and cummute. Cars are an absolute necessity for some people especially if they feel like actually living in a place that has a lawn instead of in the middle of an apartment complex. I routinely drive 30 + miles during certain days. I don't feel like taking all ****ing day to get there either.

Park and ride? Public transport that isn't a joke? Many people live out if cities and commute in, it doesn't mean you have to do it with a car. Moreover, in most cities I know, the sheer volume of congestion and number of traffic jams means it would take all day with a car.

to Paris.

[Sprayber]

Re: Re: What a bunch of '*****....

Originally posted by Drogue

Actually looking at traffic, I laugh at people trying to drive round major cities. I get there twice as fast on a bike, and get my exercise too

which is ok if you live in the city. Would you ride your bike if you had to commute from farther out.

[Sprayber]

Originally posted by Drogue

Park and ride? Public transport that isn't a joke? Many people live out if cities and commute in, it doesn't mean you have to do it with a car. Moreover, in most cities I know, the sheer volume of congestion and number of traffic jams means it would take all day with a car.

to Paris.

Public Transport is a joke here.

[Sprayber]

Originally posted by Drogue

Park and ride? Public transport that isn't a joke? Many people live out if cities and commute in, it doesn't mean you have to do it with a car. Moreover, in most cities I know, the sheer volume of congestion and number of traffic jams means it would take all day with a car.

to Paris.

Park where? Id rather just take my car on into the city and do what I have to do instead of parking on the outskirts, waiting for public transport, then do what i have to do then wait on public transport and then....... I mean people who live in the city should be required to walk or use public transport and leave the driving to those visiting the city

[MikeH]

That's mostly what happens in London, but there are so many million people traveling into London every day that the roads couldn't cope if they all drove.

[Drogue]

Originally posted by Sprayber
Public Transport is a joke here.

Which is the bigger problem, IMHO

Originally posted by Sprayber
Park where? Id rather just take my car on into the city and do what I have to do instead of parking on the outskirts, waiting for public transport, then do what i have to do then wait on public transport and then....... I mean people who live in the city should be required to walk or use public transport and leave the driving to those visiting the city

I always use the park and ride going to Oxford. It's quicker, cheaper and easier. Because parking in Oxford is a nightmare, and there's a bus ever 5 minutes from the park and ride. Park on the outskirts, just off the dual carriageway, to avoid the queue getting into the centre, and take the bus

What counts as 'in the city'? Very few people live in the city centre. In most European cities, driving in a major city isn't an option, even from outside the city, it's easier to use public transport. I've never driven into London, I always use the train. 1 hour 20 mins and you're in the centre, takes at least that in a car, plus another half an hour at least to find a parking space, and more money than the train ticket to park it for a day. Plus the hours of congestion that you're likely to face. I've never even thought of driving into central London, it isn't an option.

[MikeH]

Someone already pointed out that European city transport problems are different from US problems. You can't really compare the two.

[axi]

Talking about juxtaposition of events, our authorities are supposed to support the no car day, but they have recently banned bicyclists from riding on the urban railway. And they are thinking of allowing petroleum motered private cars into the cities, while we have a smog problem and it is known that we can't effectively control the quality of the fuel, which means lots of extra emmissions.

And what's more, today public transport is free only 5.00-17.00, as if everybody is back home by 17.00...

Stupid ****s...

[General Ludd]

Yeah, those motor shows are full of '*****.

Wonder how many US cities are participating in that anti-car idiocy? I mean, come on - riding a bike around a major city?

Bicycles (or public transport) are the quickest and cheapest way of geting around a major city. There is no logic at all to using a car in an urban environment at all, actually, since you're just traveling shrot distances. You could use that argument in rural areas, perhaps, but urban?


Oh, and... http://neistat.com/pages/video_holdi...el_holding.htm

[axi]

What counts as 'in the city'? Very few people live in the city centre.

I don't live in the city centre, but still I have a hard time finding a parking spot in my own neighbourhood. Our neighbourhoods are too dense.

I also don't work at the city centre and this means that in order to get from home to work I have to use public transportation routes that are unreliable or drive and face the congestion and the parking problem.

It usually takes me 25-30 min to drive and park from home to work and vice versa. Today I left the car home and used two buses that I didn't have to wait for long (under 5 minutes each) and it took me 55 min. The two buses could have required me to wait 20 min for each of them, meaning that it could have been 85 min. Three years ago, when I didn't drive, the public transport was a tad worse and I had to pass through the city centre, using 2 buses which would take me 90 min average or using one bus that would take me 80 min average, but for ride of 55 min and I would have to walk for about 20 min (wait 5). Many times, I just walked the distance and it took me exactly 75 min, but it was rather tiring because the terrain is hilly and the streets are polluted, which is bad for the lungs. The distance we are talking about is just about 5km. I didn't consider bicycling, because it's too dangerous around here and I don't have a convenient spot to store the bike.

[MikeH]

I live in a relatively small town in the UK, about 100,000 people but part of a larger urban area. To cycle from one side of what's officially the town to the other would take half an hour, it's about 5 miles. Depending on traffic etc.

Put in context of a much, much larger US City...