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Originally posted by DinoDoc
Dancing around a burning vehicle about to be blown up however is.
Dancing around a burning vehicle about to be blown up however is.
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I would define that as natuaral selection in progress.Today, you are the waves of the Pacific, pushing ever eastward. You are the sequoias rising from the Sierra Nevada, defiant and enduring. -
And they were supposed to know it was going to be blown up how?Originally posted by DinoDoc
Dancing around a burning vehicle about to be blown up however is.
Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...Comment
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You would have to be remarkably stupid to not suspect fire around explosives and gasoline would cause an explosion.Today, you are the waves of the Pacific, pushing ever eastward. You are the sequoias rising from the Sierra Nevada, defiant and enduring.Comment
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Originally posted by Geronimo
Two? are you really that stupid? only the two ********* who had the banner were really terrorist sympathiser?
I don't know if any of them were terrorists. I know two guys were waving a flag. They might have been terrorists. They might have been guerillas. As for the crowd itself, they were most likely people who lived in the neighborhood. If a enemy tank was destroyed in my neighborhood, you can be sure I'd be curious about it at the least, and happy it was destroyed at best.
The point of the thing should've been to disrupt the terrorist's camera opp of showing how they were defeating the infidels.
Killing unarmed civilians does not pacify a country.Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...Comment
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I would expect, since the vehical was already blown up, that the ordinence and fuel had already been destroyed. It's not like I've been trained in such things.Originally posted by Lonestar
You would have to be remarkably stupid to not suspect fire around explosives and gasoline would cause an explosion.Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...Comment
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lets do the sensible thing and set up concentration camps for the A-rabs."I hope I get to punch you in the face one day" - MRT144, Imran Siddiqui
'I'm fairly certain that a ban on me punching you in the face is not a "right" worth respecting." - loinburgerComment
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Musselmen, MRT, Musselmen. Get it right.Originally posted by MRT144
lets do the sensible thing and set up concentration camps for the A-rabs.Today, you are the waves of the Pacific, pushing ever eastward. You are the sequoias rising from the Sierra Nevada, defiant and enduring.Comment
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im just saying since everyone there is clearly a terrorist or terrorist sympasizer(my own play on synthesizer and sympathiser) we should just round them all up and imprison them."I hope I get to punch you in the face one day" - MRT144, Imran Siddiqui
'I'm fairly certain that a ban on me punching you in the face is not a "right" worth respecting." - loinburgerComment
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Nothing we can do will pacify the country except possibly leaving. There are far more people there who hate us as much as is possible but haven't seen fit to take up arms because they don't expect it would make much difference than there are who expect taking up arms would make a difference but don't hate us.Originally posted by chegitz guevara
Originally posted by Geronimo
Two? are you really that stupid? only the two ********* who had the banner were really terrorist sympathiser?
I don't know if any of them were terrorists. I know two guys were waving a flag. They might have been terrorists. They might have been guerillas. As for the crowd itself, they were most likely people who lived in the neighborhood. If a enemy tank was destroyed in my neighborhood, you can be sure I'd be curious about it at the least, and happy it was destroyed at best.
The point of the thing should've been to disrupt the terrorist's camera opp of showing how they were defeating the infidels.
Killing unarmed civilians does not pacify a country.
We should be more worried about appearing vulnerable than about seeming insensitive to unarmed terrorist parties thrown over our attacked and burning vehicles.Comment
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If we are going to round up all the people who wave terrorist banners and dance around our burning tanks so we can dispose of them in an orderly fashion why not just shoot them outright to begin with and dispense with the superfluous camps?Originally posted by MRT144
im just saying since everyone there is clearly a terrorist or terrorist sympasizer(my own play on synthesizer and sympathiser) we should just round them all up and imprison them.
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According to Lonestar, it's SOP.Originally posted by chegitz guevara
And they were supposed to know it was going to be blown up how?I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
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So only if it happened near you before would you know, as I doubt Iraqis really know US SOP.Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...Comment
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good idea. but why wait for them to wave flags. we need preemptive strikes against would be sympathizers.Originally posted by Geronimo
If we are going to round up all the people who wave terrorist banners and dance around our burning tanks so we can dispose of them in an orderly fashion why not just shoot them outright to begin with and dispense with the superfluous camps?
"I hope I get to punch you in the face one day" - MRT144, Imran Siddiqui
'I'm fairly certain that a ban on me punching you in the face is not a "right" worth respecting." - loinburgerComment
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We sure are winning their hearts and minds.
"Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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Well to be honest, I only support killing sympathisers who take actions that make them at least superficially appear to be directly responsible for successful attacks on the coaltion or iraqi civilians and police. The point, as I mentioned earlier, isn't to pre-emptively take out sympathisers. The pool of that group is already too large for anything we do to make any difference. No. The point is to disrupt activities that suggest that the insurgents are able to defeat the coalition.Originally posted by MRT144
good idea. but why wait for them to wave flags. we need preemptive strikes against would be sympathizers.
Remember an insurgent must not only hate the coalition (millions of Iraqis already surely do) they must also believe they can take action that will make a difference against the occupation. Once they posses both of those qualities they are pretty much already a 'terrorist' (if they never target civilians they are simply a partisan insurgent not a terrorist imho) they are just waiting for the right opportunity to take action.
It would be pointless, for instance, to take out a parade that was simply marching up and down the street waving placards denouncing the coalition because in no way could such activity suggest that participating in violent insurgency would make any progress towards ending the occupation. If however said parade were to drag the remains of dead coalition soldiers or participate in a photo opp around a burning coalition vehicle the perception can easily be created that the 'parade' is an example of insurgents defeating the coalition. That would be a dangerous situation.
So to take your idea, of killing all iraqis under all circumstances, this would quickly defeat the stated purpose of such operations because it would soon be obvious that not opposing the coalition is just as futile as opposing it would be. At that point the self preservation instinct goes out the window as a factor in the equation.
Even if you limited yourself to only killing iraqis who expressed hatred of the coalition I doubt that would have much effect as such measures simply transfer the communication from highly public visible channels to even higher volume of traffic on less visible channels. The only effect it would have is reducing (slightly) the pool of those who wish to publicly vent their hatred of the Coalition. But since such people aready number in the millions this won't have much effect on security. Even worse, given that such public and visibly impotent demonstrations can allow people to vent a bit of their hatred safely, killing all who do so will simply remove this harmless outlet for their frustrations.
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