So much for "ABC and CBS PWN BUSH"

[Drake Tungsten]

This is my favorite part...

"If the documents are not what we were led to believe, I'd like to break that story," Rather said in an interview last night. "Any time I'm wrong, I want to be right out front and say, 'Folks, this is what went wrong and how it went wrong.' "

The story on the forgeries was broke long ago, Dan, and you sure as hell weren't right out front on it. Feel free to tell us what went wrong and how it went wrong, though.

[Sikander]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
This is my favorite part...

"If the documents are not what we were led to believe, I'd like to break that story," Rather said in an interview last night. "Any time I'm wrong, I want to be right out front and say, 'Folks, this is what went wrong and how it went wrong.' "

The story on the forgeries was broke long ago, Dan, and you sure as hell weren't right out front on it. Feel free to tell us what went wrong and how it went wrong, though.

No Dan is right. He was out in front of the story, trying with all of his might to push it back into obscurity.

[Pyrodrew]

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[GePap]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
It's like he's a robot repeating the samething over and over. I think you should kick him to get him out of the loop he's in.

I can accept basic stupidity from Drakie Pooh- thats just his being. But from you, besides no real argumentation, I at least expect some basic common sense.

Who gives a **** about even the original "story"? OHFG! I mean, can we actually believe the son of the head of the CIA might have been given preferential treatment!!!!??? I mean, its a shockingly obvious charge.

What gets me, besides the idiocy of anyone thinking CBS will have to, in the end, do anything more than a minor apology, is the blatant hypocrasy from the right.

Lets see: I loved it when John Stewart called Robert Novak "Douchebag for Liberty"- with that imbecile demanding CBS turn in its sources-and outrage-and outrage. Yet he is part of a felony (revealing the indentity of a covert CIA operative), and yet I don;t see any of the participants in this thread giving a damn a felony was committed

And then, as always, there is the entire WMD in Iraq fiasco. People like Drakie Pooh foam at the mouth if Dan Rather does not question four documents on a worthless story (Bush served in the National Guard and got preferential treatment- shocking!!!) but they are first grade apologists for the admin. in the vastly more important, shocking and consequential WMD screwup.

You speak of partisanship DD_ well, this thread is a prime example of it- everything that is wrong with the media all around, and the stupidity some people (besides Drakie Pooh) will sink to.

[Ming]

Originally posted by GePap
I can accept basic stupidity from Drakie Pooh- thats just his being. But from you, besides no real argumentation, I at least expect some basic common sense.

One more time... DISCUSS THE TOPIC... NOT THE POSTERS.

[Drake Tungsten]

People like Drakie Pooh foam at the mouth if Dan Rather does not question four documents on a worthless story

Yeah, it was such a "worthless story" that CBS decided to run it as the top story on their flagship primetime news show...

And the importance of the story has no bearing on the complete failure of CBS to follow basic journalistic standards, or their continuing failure to admit their error after the fact. They used obviously forged documents as part of an attack on the President of the United States and you want us to believe that this isn't an issue worth discussing?

I think you're demonstrating pretty clearly who the stupid one is around here...

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by The Mad Monk
New York Times:

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/09/16/politics/16burkett.html?ex=1095998400&en=2e5fd563e5d3bdbc&ei=5006&partner=ALTAVISTA1

Compare and contrast with the Washington Post article I posted earlier.

Please.

What? WaPo makes the guy seem like a crank, and NYT interviews people who know him? You have two different views, and you automatically assume one is correct and thee other isn't? Is it possible they're both correct?

[Agathon]

I'd try to update everyone on the situation, but it's just too damn huge now. Rather is ****ing toast...

Um... no.

Even if the documents are fakes, the allegations are pretty much spot on according to Killian's secretary. Presumably CBS had independent reasons to think that what the documents said was true, which is why they pushed them.

I watched 60 Minutes last night and that woman said she thought that these documents were sanitized versions of the originals.

Accuse Rather of being duped by forgeries or whatever you want, but such accusations will ring hollow if what he claimed on the basis of the documents is true - and now Killian's secretary says it is true.

It would be as if people discovered that the WMD intelligence was fake, but WMDs were found anyway. Who would care in that case?

It's quite clear from what has been produced that Bush, for some reason, avoided a medical which presumably included a drug test. We all know he was a cokehead - you do the math.

[chequita guevara]

I don't believe anybody in this story anymore. They're all lying! Everyone!

[Drake Tungsten]

Presumably CBS had independent reasons to think that what the documents said was true, which is why they pushed them.

Yeah, they hate Bush and want to see him out of office.

[Patroklos]

OMFG Killian's secretary!!!

If anything deserves to be doubted it is the memory of a secretary that would have proccessed thousands upon thousands of such documents a year.

[Drake Tungsten]

Don't be silly, Patroklos. The thirty-five year old memories of eyewitnesses are always un-impeachable pieces of evidence. As long as they're anti-Bush, that is. If they're anti-Kerry, however, then they're obviously lying, all 250 of them...

[GePap]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten

People like Drakie Pooh foam at the mouth if Dan Rather does not question four documents on a worthless story

Yeah, it was such a "worthless story" that CBS decided to run it as the top story on their flagship primetime news show...

Yes, it is a worthless story- that it gets top billing means nothing- heck, the Laci Peterson case, or the Jessicae Lynch "story" also get top billing- that a commercially motivated news network runs sensationalist stories means nothing insofar as their actual worth.

And the importance of the story has no bearing on the complete failure of CBS to follow basic journalistic standards, or their continuing failure to admit their error after the fact. They used obviously forged documents as part of an attack on the President of the United States and you want us to believe that this isn't an issue worth discussing?

Wait, you were screaming around about the news networks not devoting hours to charges backed by nothing other that people's sayso when it applied to Kerry..now all of a sudden you are a paragon of media fairness and integrity!? Too funny.

I think you're demonstrating pretty clearly who the stupid one is around here...

Yes, but Ming is on the case, so I won;t say who is demonstrated as the stupid one.

You see, I have said from day one this story (Bush National Guard record) is a NON-story. I don;t give a **** what he did or did not do 30 years ago, or the favors he got being the son of the CIA chief- we already know he has benefited from who he was his whole life- why is that news? What matters is his record in office and his stance on issues. The sad part is, I see you fleeing from issue debates like Rush Limbaugh from a drug test, or Bush from a game of Scrabble.

[Drake Tungsten]

Wait, you were screaming around about the news networks not devoting hours to charges backed by nothing other that people's sayso when it applied to Kerry

There's plenty of documentary evidence out there with which to investigate the claims of the SwiftBoat Vets, if only Kerry would open up his military records as Bush has done. The media never pushed for the release of those records, however, even after spending months pressuring Bush to release his. I guess they were too busy acquiring forged documents to attack Bush with to actually apply the same standard of investigation to claims regarding Kerry's record.

Why am I even explaining this to you, though? You don't care about media fairness; you're just a hack, and a poor one at that...

*Drake Tungsten kicks the robot...

[The Mad Monk]

Originally posted by Agathon


Um... no.

Even if the documents are fakes, the allegations are pretty much spot on according to Killian's secretary. Presumably CBS had independent reasons to think that what the documents said was true, which is why they pushed them.

I watched 60 Minutes last night and that woman said she thought that these documents were sanitized versions of the originals.

...and we have a commanding officer and a wife who believe they don't. I think that trumps a secretary.