Notradamus/Usama bin Ladin

[The Emperor Fabulous]

Originally posted by Urban Ranger


West of Europse does not mean "Western Europe."

This can apply to that Japanese admiral who defeated the Russians.

"The south of England" refers to Southern England, correct? "The West of Europe" refers to Western Europe.

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by The Emperor Fabulous
Regarding your second post: Cheetham isn't my only source...in fact, go back and read the actual texts, and then the history behind them. YOu'll find the closer you get to nostradamus, the less vague the quatrains are, simply because he had more knowledge of what he saw, rather than trying to explain what an airplane is.

Perhaps he wrote about events that had happened, or events that were very likely going to happen during his time?

For example, there is a manuscript in the New York Public Library, author unknown, challenging the existence of the 1555 first edition. Some intriguing evidence include the inability for Count von Klinkowstrom to locate either a copy of the book itself or "...the Privilege du Roy (royal permission to print) for the first edition, in Lyon or elsewhere. That permit would have been required and would certainly be on record."*


* James Randi

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by The Emperor Fabulous
"The south of England" refers to Southern England, correct? "The West of Europe" refers to Western Europe.

Maybe an idiosyncratic use of English in the UK. I have never heard of it that way, however.

[germanos]

Originally posted by The Emperor Fabulous


"The south of England" refers to Southern England, correct? "The West of Europe" refers to Western Europe.

In any case, Hitler was born in Austria, which by no means is western Europe, but rather Central Europe. The whole notion of central europe sort of evaporated during the Cold War, but that doesn't make Hitler a child of the west.

[Ramo]

That particular quatrain has been noted as either Napoleon or Hitler. Since N isn't around to say which, we can only interpret. However, there are many MANY that aren't vague...since you obviously (by your own indication) didn't read my post, I'll bump it for you:

I didn't think those were the quotes that you meant since you kept getting into hissy fits about the prophecies during Nostros' time period as particularly accurate. And sorry, but the French Revolution x 3, WW I, the League of Nations, or WW II aren't any closer to his time period than the original prophecy that you claimed predicted Nappy (but then changed when I pointed out the obvious flaw in that interpretation). Indeed, only two of the eight prophecies are any closer, and they're still off by a century. Anyways, take this for instance:

Roman land that the augur interprets, will be greatly molested by the French nation. But the French will come to dread the time of the North wind having driven their fleet too far.

Rome (the Vatican states in those days) was a part of the French empire by 1810, as most of Europe was, which had centuries ago been Roman territory, and the French certainly "molested" Italy. The French army was then defeated in Russia, partially by cold windes (Boreas) and the overcommitment of troops by Napoleon. The North very much at the time was the people of Russia.

1. You do realize that France had been involved in Italy for centuries, don't you? Around the time of Nostro's own birth, France was involved in Milan and Savoy in fact.
2. There wasn't any North Wind that blew away Nappy's fleet, AFAIK. Them's the facts. As I said, you can use these sorts of silly metaphors to represent anything. Maybe the fleet was a colonial expedition. Who knows.

Not true...sorry

Then what is he saying? That Hitler was a young child when he was born?

[JohnT]

I believe I've shown that there is a DIRECT PROPHECY relating to those made closer to his nation/time period/areas that existed during that time.

Well, that it is a prophecy, that is not in doubt. Whether it was accurate, that is the question...

[molly bloom]

I'd like to say the quatrain purporting to be about the Glorious Revolution is a load of vague waffly bollocks, with no direct link whatsoever to any of the participants.


Where on earth did this sh!te about William of Orange being referred to as 'the blond one' since 'the Renaissance' come from?


Date of Glorious Revolution = 1688

Dates of Renaissance = pick whatever date you feel best serves to separate 'the Renaissance' from the Middle Ages, at some point in the 14th/15th centuries.

Now who exactly are we meant to believe was referring to William of Orange/William III of England as 'the blond one' for the nearly three hundred years preceding his birth?

And more to the point- why wouldn't they be referring to William the Silent, who was also a William of Orange as 'the blond one'?

How inconvenient to have so many Orange Williams who might or might not have been blond.


Then this 'hooknose' tripe. I've heard James II called many things, Papist, horse's arse, the king across the water, but hooknose, hookie, hookster, no.

Not once.

The Jacobites didn't put all their effort into a sea battle- it was the Battle of the Boyne, on land, in Ireland where they massed their greatest force.

It was a French fleet that defeated the Anglo-Dutch forces at sea.

William didn't duel with James, and hadn't driven him out- James fled before William and Mary arrived in London.


Battle of the Boyne 12th July 1690

Beachy Head? Two days later, not on the same day at all.

In any case, the language is so vague as to dates, places and people, it could be talking about a skirmish on the Sea of Azov, or Lake Titicaca.

[Whoha]

The UN has the blue turbans doesn't it?

[JohnT]

Then this 'hooknose' tripe. I've heard James II called many things, Papist, horse's arse, the king across the water, but hooknose, hookie, hookster, no.

I was thinking that "Hooknose" could be referring to a Jewish person. I would have no idea who it could be, but it is yet another vagueness added to the quatrains.

Nostradamus: The Jim Morrison of his day.

[molly bloom]

Originally posted by JohnT

Then this 'hooknose' tripe. I've heard James II called many things, Papist, horse's arse, the king across the water, but hooknose, hookie, hookster, no.

I was thinking that "Hooknose" could be referring to a Jewish person. I would have no idea who it could be, but it is yet another vagueness added to the quatrains.

Nostradamus: The Jim Morrison of his day.

More like John Edwards or Doris Stokes.

'I'm getting a nose. Was there anyone in your family with a nose?'


At least Jim Morrison made some memorable records.

[Geronimo]

Originally posted by The Emperor Fabulous
For examples, this is one supposedly about Napoleon:

C3Q35
From the very depths of the West of Europe,
A young child will be born of poor people,
He who by his tongue will seduce a great troop:
His fame will increase towards the realm of the East.

He got everything about Napoleon wrong. Nappie was born to Corsican nobility on the fringe of western europe. He also didn't amass a great troop by his tongue. Seducing a great troop by his tongue would suggest campaigning for office and getting elected. Instead Nappie rose through the ranks of the military due to his generalship and battlefield achievments. The great troop he eventually led east were conscripts. Nappies France didn't use a volunteer military. Hence he rose to power and amassed his troops with no seduction by his tongue. Nappies fame decreased in the East where he met his first disastrous defeat and the illusion of his invincibility was finally shattered. In no way can we pretend his fame increased towards the realm of the East.


Wiki Nappie bio

So, sure this is a great prophecy so long as it's ok to get everything backarsewards and generally wrong.

[DarkCloud]

You don't. He predicts a figure from 'the east'. There are references to what have been interpreted as a New Ghengis Khan. He states that the figure will have a holy day on a Thursday - this is not Islam. There are references to a third anti-Christ, although there is no definite quatrain AFAIK that links the identity to this other figure. He may only be a foreshadower of the 3rd anti-christ. An anti-John-the-Baptist perhaps.

... sounds like north korea

[Geronimo]

Originally posted by The Emperor Fabulous
For examples, this is one supposedly about Napoleon:

C3Q35
From the very depths of the West of Europe,
A young child will be born of poor people,
He who by his tongue will seduce a great troop:
His fame will increase towards the realm of the East.

But maybe he meant Hitler as others have stated!

Hitler was born in Austria. Austria != "the very depths of west of Europe" no matter how you look at it.

Hitler was a bastard son of non nobility so maybe we could pretend he was born of poor people.

He rose to power through use of his tongue certainly. He knew how to play the republic like a fiddle.

But oops! his fame increased in the West where he defeated France. That was surely the pinacle fo his Fame. After he betrayed the USSR by violating the non agression pact everybody waited to see who would win before Hitlers 'Fame' could be expected to increase there and of course he lost in the East.

The prophecy sure fits Hitler a lot more closely than Nappie, but it's still wrong.

If i write:

In the heart of the pride of her ancestors,
a young babe is born to blood of old renown,
her fame increases in the East
and she restores hope to the hopeless.

Sometime in the next 600 years somebody somewhere would fit the bill for 3 out of 4 and no doubt I would be a great prophet vindicated by the passage of the ages for my gift of unnatural foresight.

[Imran Siddiqui]

All hail Geronimo, prophet of prophets .

[Zkribbler]

I can do better:

Men in red stockings shall trade to the New City
A babe, who shall become a sultan.
As man and ghost, he shall swat them viciously,
And they shall forevermore know only defeat