The Chechens' American friends

[Serb]

Originally posted by notyoueither


I'm not suggesting that Russia should be expected to negotiate or find accommodation with these scum. Why do you expect Israel to negotiate and find accommodation with Arafat?

Personally I do not expect anything. Btw, is Russian possition towards ME, somehow different from US and EU posstions?

[notyoueither]

Right. There are a lot of people who expect Israel to negotiate for peace with terrorists, but I was asking you.

[Geronimo]

I have to say that in both the israeli/palastinian crisis and the Russian/Chechian crisis I find the real villains and obstacle to peace to be the terrorists.

Having said that I still feel compelled to point out to those who condemn a double standard with respect to the crisis in Chechnya and the crisis in palastine, that the two situations have at least one very important difference.

In Chechnya people of all religious and ethnic backgrounds enjoy equal rights and protection under the law. In palastine there are marked discrepancies in rights and legal protections between non jewish palestinians and everybody else. The two situations are not identical in that respect. Terrorism in both cases is an unacceptable outrage against all humanity. However there are probably grounds for some sort of civil disobediance or other form of peaceful protest against the Israeli government while I don't see any justification for such measures in Chechnya against the russian government.

The two issues are not quite identical so it might not be reasonable to call anybody who treats them differently a hypocrite.

[Ljube]

Originally posted by Berzerker

No, kinda interesting omission don't you think? You seem to think centuries of Russian atrocities are unrelated to the atrocities now and I see them linked.

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Most certainly wise, what happened in the past is likely the cause of what is happening today. Funny how history works like that...

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I read your links. The Russians have been butchering Chechens for centuries and you think the Russians are oppressed by Chechens. Go figure...

Does this mean you support Chechens Berz?

[muxec]

Serb, I say you again :

Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we. -George W. Bush, August 5th, 2004

[Sprayber]

Hopefully the situation in Chechnya isn't as far gone as the situation in the West Bank And Gaza. By that I mean hopefully the cult of death hasn't set in and martyrdom isn't as much as a way of life.

[Serb]

Originally posted by muxec
Serb, I say you again :

It was my sig for a couple of days. King George II is the great source of wisdom and honesty.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Serb
I don't think you should be called insulting ******, some would deem it offensive...

[Arrian]

Negotiating a settlement with terrorists is problematic. Negotiating a settlement with the people who the terrorists claim to be fighting for would be the best thing, I think. The trouble is that one needs a leader from those people whose hands aren't drenched in blood. It's not likely that such a leader will be totally clean, but one must be realistic.

This is the problem Israel faces, and Russia faces the same problem. Neither is going to "win" by just fighting and killing terrorists. But neither can negotiate and sign a treaty with those terrorists. Each needs the elusive "partner for peace." Please note that my saying this does *not* mean I am unaware that both Russia and Israel have done things that have contributed to the problems they now face. I would think that's rather obvious.

The U.S., IMO, has an even more vexing problem. With whom are we to negotiate? The entire Arab world? The entire Muslim world? We have a lot of hate to deal with, and so far we've done a piss poor job of dealing with it.

-Arrian

p.s. Interesting article in Slate today regarding Sharia law in Canada...

[pchang]

Just go Roman on their ass. Thanks to modern technology, you can kill them all.

[Heresson]

Serb, some of the guys that fight in Chechenia are terrorists, but not all of them I guess

[muxec]

Originally posted by Heresson
Serb, some of the guys that fight in Chechenia are terrorists, but not all of them I guess

Some of them are simply bandits and some of the guys who fight in Chechnya are Russian soldiers.

[Heresson]

Originally posted by muxec


Some of them are simply bandits and some of the guys who fight in Chechnya are Russian soldiers.

Yes. Chechenians are a nation of bandits and terrorists

[muxec]

Originally posted by Heresson


Yes. Chechenians are a nation of bandits and terrorists

I mean of those who fight. And I clearly quoted your message.

[Heresson]

You mean, to fight for independance against Russia is terrorism and banditism?