Wooo.... in a few days I'll become a CARD CARRYING member of the ACLU!

[OzzyKP]

Congrats Imran, welcome to the club. Though I think my membership just lapsed, cause I'm poor, but if I had more money I'd definitely join up again.

Che is right though, the ACLU hoes out your info to fricken everyone. I get lots of political junk now.

I went to the membership conference last year, it was really cool, and a big deal. It was their first annual membership conference. I do see some signs that the ACLU may change for the better in the years to come. A lot of the folks pushing through the affirmative action and "social justice" stuff are the old guard (and i do mean old, as in over 70-80) so give it a few years and things will improve. Younger members are more libertarian oriented, not totally, just a bit more than the oldsters.

The ACLU does need your membership though, they are gonna be in trouble too if they don't massively start recruiting youth. Their **average** age of members is in the 70s. That is just insane.

At the banquet I had a fun debate on gun rights with two ACLU board members. One agreed with me, (she was in her 30s/40s) and the other was adamant against me (he was an old hippy in his 70s). Another guy in his 20s agreed with me too.

Anyways.... ACLU

[PLATO]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara


The ACLU believes in religious freedom

As long as it isn't the Christian religion, of course. Let's be clear here.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by PLATO
As long as it isn't the Christian religion, of course. Let's be clear here.

No, they're precetly fine with the Christian faith, as long as you Christians don't force others to obey your faith and fund it with taxpayer money. Why is it you people always equate freedom of religion with forcing everyone else to be Christian?

[MrFun]

Originally posted by PLATO


As long as it isn't the Christian religion, of course. Let's be clear here.

Asking Christians to respect other people's different religions does not equate with persecution of Christians.



(damn it -- a commie beat me to the punch)

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

Religious leanings aside....

At what point does the attempts to remove Judeo-Christian references within law and governance actually represent an attempt to remove the historical context that these laws and governance were built upon?

[GhengisFarb™]

Re: Wooo.... in a few days I'll become a CARD CARRYING member of the ACLU!

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
Well, depending on how the mail runs. I was involved in an argument on another site, and I realized how important our civil liberties are, especially when you have people who don't think the PATRIOT act took away people's liberties and since it doesn't directly and personally attack me, the threat is exaggerated.

So, I gave $20 of my money to the ACLU. May they use it well... and I hope my card comes soon .

Welcome! Now you can ***** and moan about how they waste a good chunk of our dues taking away Civil Liberties!

Still, I AM hoping they concentrate on revoking this Patriot Act garbage.

[PLATO]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara


No, they're precetly fine with the Christian faith, as long as you Christians don't force others to obey your faith and fund it with taxpayer money. Why is it you people always equate freedom of religion with forcing everyone else to be Christian?

I don't and the ACLU is definately biased against Christianity. I said nothing about forcing it down other people's throat...you did. The ACLU continually protests against Christian symbols while blantantly allowing other religious symbols to remain in public places. If they were actually for a level playing field, I would support them. The fact is that they are not.

[PLATO]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara


you people

This very statement has been considered biggoted by the ACLU in the past yet you feel that you can use it in attacking those of the Christian faith. This is a prime example of the double standards that the ACLU employs.

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Shi Huangdi
So Imran, do you now support affirmative action, as the ACLU does?

Probably not.

Or the right of NAMBLA to publish guides on how to "pick up" kids?

He already did.

[MrFun]

Originally posted by Ogie Oglethorpe
Religious leanings aside....

At what point does the attempts to remove Judeo-Christian references within law and governance actually represent an attempt to remove the historical context that these laws and governance were built upon?

When such laws are based on religious dogma that are anachronistic (such as stoning women to death), then those laws ought to be removed.

Of course, United States never that specific law in the first place, but that is an extreme example to illustrate how, in other ways, the religious-right is trying to pressure the Republican Party to impose theocratic laws, rather than secular laws based on rationality and liberty.

[GhengisFarb™]

Originally posted by PLATO
If they were actually for a level playing field, I would support them. The fact is that they are not.

Bingo. I just want them to stand up for the minority's rights, I do not see where that requires them to ELIMINATE the majority's rights which appears to be their primary agenda.

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

Originally posted by MrFun


When such laws are based on religious dogma that are anachronistic (such as stoning women to death), then those laws ought to be removed.

Of course, United States never that specific law in the first place, but that is an extreme example to illustrate how, in other ways, the religious-right is trying to pressure the Republican Party to impose theocratic laws, rather than secular laws based on rationality and liberty.

non sequitor. The presence of such symbols etc. are not an impedement on the ability to enact laws of rationality and liberty but moreover can be used as a touchstone to see where we were and where we have come. The rewriting of history prevents us from seeing that. I would think as a historian you should be especially sensetive to the biases of the moment for fear of losing a sense of what really happened.

[PLATO]

Originally posted by GhengisFarb

Bingo. I just want them to stand up for the minority's rights, I do not see where that requires them to ELIMINATE the majority's rights which appears to be their primary agenda.

In a well functioning democracy there must be checks and balances. An ACLU should exist to protect the rights of the minority. The ACLU that we have today is more interested in promoting the rights of the minority above the rights of the majority. As I said, I am for a level playing field. It is the ACLU that isn't.

[Japher]

[troll]The ACLU can kiss my arse. They're just a bunch of hypocritical commie basturds that have no since of what FREEDOM actually is... They should all move to France![/troll]

Way to get involved

[Patroklos]

Just because because the laws that would independantly be concidered right and just are congruent with Christian morality does not make them Christian.

Just like wearing pink which independantly makes good fashion sense but happens to be congruent with a gay steriotype does not make one gay.