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Originally posted by Tamerlin
Finbar, the activity of the forum seems to be rather low without your favorite "punching-ball".
Um, I think "punching bag" might be more appropriate. As in "heavy bag", used by boxers in training.
I am afraid you will have to wait for Havak's return in order to have a serious debate about this subject.
There won't be any debate. In fact, I think he'll probably say that it's a "Times" beat-up, which it probably is.
As far as I am concerned, I still think that the IRB should have enforced the "three years" rule, I have always liked the fact that players are playing for their federation and not for their country, something that was setting Rugby appart from the other sports.
So you think players should be able to play for another country even if they've already played rep rugby? Providing they fulfil residence rules?
" ... and the following morning I should see the Boks wallop the Wallabies again?" - Havak "The only thing worse than being quoted in someone's sig is not being quoted in someone's sig." - finbar, with apologies to Oscar Wilde.
Originally posted by Caligastia
Sorry to be so absent...my new job doesn't have any internet blocking, but I actually have work to do here!
That's my definition of a bad career move!
Anyone seen any more NPC? I caught the Auckland v Canterbury game last weekend. Auckland lost.
It was replayed here late last night. I got to watch the first 15 minutes before Mrs finbar turned it over to the Food Channel! I could've gone downstairs and watched it on the other TV but I was too lazy. Canterbury looked pretty good in the bit I watched. Carlos' kicking was dodgy in the extreme.
" ... and the following morning I should see the Boks wallop the Wallabies again?" - Havak "The only thing worse than being quoted in someone's sig is not being quoted in someone's sig." - finbar, with apologies to Oscar Wilde.
Originally posted by finbar
So you think players should be able to play for another country even if they've already played rep rugby? Providing they fulfil residence rules?
Yes, I am!
"Democracy is the worst form of government there is, except for all the others that have been tried." Sir Winston Churchill
Actually, it's probably the channel we watch the most. I think we're food obsessed.
" ... and the following morning I should see the Boks wallop the Wallabies again?" - Havak "The only thing worse than being quoted in someone's sig is not being quoted in someone's sig." - finbar, with apologies to Oscar Wilde.
That's fair enough. I'm not sure either way. But when you say that representing the federation rather than the country was setting rugby apart from other sports, I'd've thought that stopping a player representing two countries at rugby made the game unique. Just about every other sport I can think of allows players to represent different countries after fulfilling residency requirements.
" ... and the following morning I should see the Boks wallop the Wallabies again?" - Havak "The only thing worse than being quoted in someone's sig is not being quoted in someone's sig." - finbar, with apologies to Oscar Wilde.
That's fair enough. I'm not sure either way. But when you say that representing the federation rather than the country was setting rugby apart from other sports, I'd've thought that stopping a player representing two countries at rugby made the game unique. Just about every other sport I can think of allows players to represent different countries after fulfilling residency requirements.
All the sports I know, and especially S*****, are basing themselves on the nationality of the player, nationality can be acquired and you just have to fill the papers when you are a sportsman. You are talking about residency, but I would reply that in the former system a player had to play for three consecutive years in the same federation which was a proof of his dedication to the Rugby of this country.
IMO, the former system was much closer to the spirit of our beloved game.
"Democracy is the worst form of government there is, except for all the others that have been tried." Sir Winston Churchill
All the sports I know, and especially S*****, are basing themselves on the nationality of the player, nationality can be acquired and you just have to fill the papers when you are a sportsman. You are talking about residency, but I would reply that in the former system a player had to play for three consecutive years in the same federation which was a proof of his dedication to the Rugby of this country.
You could play, say, in the French club competition for three consecutive years without having to become a French national? Or you had to become a French national and play in the country for three consecutive years?
" ... and the following morning I should see the Boks wallop the Wallabies again?" - Havak "The only thing worse than being quoted in someone's sig is not being quoted in someone's sig." - finbar, with apologies to Oscar Wilde.
You could play, say, in the French club competition for three consecutive years without having to become a French national? Or you had to become a French national and play in the country for three consecutive years?
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"Democracy is the worst form of government there is, except for all the others that have been tried." Sir Winston Churchill
Nah, I'm getting to learn a lot of new things here so it's worth it. I can't sit around being a typical govt employee forever!
It was replayed here late last night. I got to watch the first 15 minutes before Mrs finbar turned it over to the Food Channel! I could've gone downstairs and watched it on the other TV but I was too lazy. Canterbury looked pretty good in the bit I watched. Carlos' kicking was dodgy in the extreme.
Yeah, I think Carlos may be on the way out soon as far as the ABs go. Auckland needed more structure to their game to beat Canterbury, and Carlos doesn't seem able to provide that.
Auckland v Otago is up next. Obviously I would like Auckland to win, but their chances of making it to the top 4 are slim at this point.
...people like to cry a lot...- Pekka ...we just argue without evidence, secure in our own superiority.- Snotty
Mmmm. Interesting concept. Havak, of course, would hate it. Is that what Tony Marsh did? BTW, where is he these days? Still playing?
" ... and the following morning I should see the Boks wallop the Wallabies again?" - Havak "The only thing worse than being quoted in someone's sig is not being quoted in someone's sig." - finbar, with apologies to Oscar Wilde.
Nah, I'm getting to learn a lot of new things here so it's worth it. I can't sit around being a typical govt employee forever!
It hasn't hurt Alexander's Horse! Are you with the government now? Or were before? Or still?
Yeah, I think Carlos may be on the way out soon as far as the ABs go. Auckland needed more structure to their game to beat Canterbury, and Carlos doesn't seem able to provide that.
G. Henry is still leaning on Canterbury to play Daniel Carter at 5/8. Canterbury are telling G. Henry they'll do what they think is best for their team. But I think you're right, Carlos' AB days are numbered if not over. His is an interesting case of a wonderful S12 player who seems unable to adapt his game to Test rugby. Perhaps it's also an indication of the fundamental difference between S12 and Tests.
" ... and the following morning I should see the Boks wallop the Wallabies again?" - Havak "The only thing worse than being quoted in someone's sig is not being quoted in someone's sig." - finbar, with apologies to Oscar Wilde.
Mmmm. Interesting concept. Havak, of course, would hate it. Is that what Tony Marsh did? BTW, where is he these days? Still playing?
Yes, this is indeed the rule that allowed Tony Marsh to be recruited by the French National team.
Tony Marsh is still playing for the Association Sportive Montferrandaise which results are mediocre since the last two years, he does not seem to have recovered his former level though.
"Democracy is the worst form of government there is, except for all the others that have been tried." Sir Winston Churchill
On another front, promising news. I think I'm convincing Mrs finbar to spend an extended period in either France or Italy! But at a cost. I would have to use the time there to write a book. A small price to pay!
" ... and the following morning I should see the Boks wallop the Wallabies again?" - Havak "The only thing worse than being quoted in someone's sig is not being quoted in someone's sig." - finbar, with apologies to Oscar Wilde.
In fact, I think he'll probably say that it's a "Times" beat-up, which it probably is.
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