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  • #511
    Re: Re: Best editorial

    Originally posted by The diplomat


    I think a president has the right to change his mind when such a dramatic event like 9-11 occurs. Before 9-11, a humble foreign policy seemed appropriate. After 9-11, it was not. The world changed. When the world changes, your foreign policy has to change too to match. What was Bush suppose to do, say "My fellow Americans, the humble foreign policy I promised is not appropriate anymore because of the events of 9-11, but I'll keep that flawed policy anyway because I promised"?
    Yeah, the world changed. 9/11 had been coming, and anyone with slightest hint about the world knew it. One would expect a humble foreign policy to be planned with at least some form of hindsight.
    In Soviet Russia, Fake borises YOU.

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    • #512
      Oncle Boris, I'm sure you expected a terrorist attack of such magnitude on the US

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      • #513
        Yeah, some dudes with ceramic knives, that was so surprising. I mean, who could have guessed that terrorists like to hijack planes? It's not like they used any kind of high-tech or dangerous weaponry; they just were clever and efficient in using low-level techniques.
        In Soviet Russia, Fake borises YOU.

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        • #514
          Re: Re: Re: Best editorial

          Originally posted by Oncle Boris


          Yeah, the world changed. 9/11 had been coming, and anyone with slightest hint about the world knew it. One would expect a humble foreign policy to be planned with at least some form of hindsight.
          Well hell, we knew the Japs were planning an attack as well, but that doesn't mean we knew it was going to be on Dec. 7, 1941. Nor, did that mean we should start selling them oil and scrap iron again. I mean, these scum sucking pigs (hehe, pigs) set off a bomb at the Tower's base some years earlier. Of course we knew they wanted to attack.
          "What did you learn in school today, dear little boy of mine?
          I learned our government must be strong. It's always right and never wrong,.....that's what I learned in school."
          --- Tom Paxton song ('63)

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          • #515
            That's it man. You don't have to know the exact date. Mere wisdom is sufficient to understand that it's coming, and that the world hasn't really changed. Given that, Bush's statement was either a big lie or an incredibly incompetent plan.
            In Soviet Russia, Fake borises YOU.

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            • #516
              Originally posted by Oncle Boris
              That's it man. You don't have to know the exact date. Mere wisdom is sufficient to understand that it's coming, and that the world hasn't really changed.
              Yeah right.


              Maybe with your 20/20 hindsight glasses on.
              We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. - Abraham Lincoln

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              • #517
                Originally posted by Oncle Boris
                That's it man. You don't have to know the exact date. Mere wisdom is sufficient to understand that it's coming, and that the world hasn't really changed. Given that, Bush's statement was either a big lie or an incredibly incompetent plan.
                Right, but the environment wasn't conducive to pass such sweeping meausres to protect the homeland effeciently.

                OMG! It is a conspiracy.
                "What did you learn in school today, dear little boy of mine?
                I learned our government must be strong. It's always right and never wrong,.....that's what I learned in school."
                --- Tom Paxton song ('63)

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                • #518
                  Originally posted by Ted Striker


                  Yeah right.


                  Maybe with your 20/20 hindsight glasses on.
                  Look at me, Ted Striker, and tell me what has changed so much between 2000 and 2002 that will make you say that a "humble" foreign policy wasn't a) feasible anymore b) had ever been so, depending on where you lie on the political spectrum.

                  The American foreign policy has never been humble from the 20th century and will never be as long as you remain a significant power.

                  But still... could it be that many Americans are not open about the rest of the world, that they see their country as the center of the world? Funny, that's a stererotype I never heard.

                  Oh and... was it Noam Chomsky who wrote in 1992 that Muslim terrorism would inevitably strike America, and that the American leaders would probably use it to replace Communism as the n. 1 public fear? No, it wasn't him I guess!
                  In Soviet Russia, Fake borises YOU.

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                  • #519
                    I don't know what that other foreign policy crap you are talking about is.

                    But the one point I am making is that:

                    NOBODY could have predicted the Trade Center attacks on America, even though they had already bombed it years earlier.

                    Even non Americans, and that's why it was such a devastating attack because it caught us, ALL OF US, off guard.

                    Not even you could have predicted it Oracle
                    We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. - Abraham Lincoln

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                    • #520
                      Originally posted by Oncle Boris

                      Look at me, Ted Striker, and tell me what has changed so much between 2000 and 2002 that will make you say that a "humble" foreign policy wasn't a) feasible anymore b) had ever been so, depending on where you lie on the political spectrum.

                      The American foreign policy has never been humble from the 20th century and will never be as long as you remain a significant power.
                      You mean these senseless acts of violence are the result of arrogance? I'm sorry, but more would have to be inflicted uppon the "Muslim" world for me to accept such actions.

                      You mean that inorder for America to live in peace w/ these "Muslims" we must willfully not promote prosperity, along w/ other civilized nations, in the world.

                      Originally posted by Oncle Boris Oh and... was it Noam Chomsky who wrote in 1992 that Muslim terrorism would inevitably strike America, and that the American leaders would probably use it to replace Communism as the n. 1 public fear? No, it wasn't him I guess!
                      Should they have otherwise?
                      "What did you learn in school today, dear little boy of mine?
                      I learned our government must be strong. It's always right and never wrong,.....that's what I learned in school."
                      --- Tom Paxton song ('63)

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                      • #521
                        Originally posted by Ted Striker
                        NOBODY could have predicted the Trade Center attacks on America, even though they had already bombed it years earlier.
                        Open your eyes and realize that it's just not my point. Contrary to what many conservatives tend to believe, the world HADN'T changed - what had happened before in plenty of countries, including France, was just coming to America, and the specialist and diplomatic crowd knew it.

                        Maybe you just can't understand this Ted... but I'm not trying to make another discussion about whether or not 9/11 as an event could have been prevented. I don't care anyway. I'm saying that from a po sci perspective, the rise of Muslim integrism was a well known fact, and that nothing significant has really changed between the Bush and Clinton eras. The difference would be that as an ignorant, the typical American understood all of this the morning of 9/11. Now, would you vote for a president who is like the crowd of morons who can barely tell where is their country on a map of the world (indeed... studies have shown that nearly half of Americans have trouble situating their country on a world map).

                        Even non Americans, and that's why it was such a devastating attack because it caught us, ALL OF US, off guard.
                        Especially those guys who wrote the memo for Bush in August...

                        Not even you could have predicted it Oracle
                        FYI I had had debates with my friends where it emerged that some kind of clash with the Muslim world was unavoidable, and that the right would use it again as a tool of 'fascisation'.
                        In Soviet Russia, Fake borises YOU.

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                        • #522
                          Originally posted by dojoboy


                          You mean these senseless acts of violence are the result of arrogance? I'm sorry, but more would have to be inflicted uppon the "Muslim" world for me to accept such actions.

                          You mean that inorder for America to live in peace w/ these "Muslims" we must willfully not promote prosperity, along w/ other civilized nations, in the world.
                          Never said anything close to this.

                          Should they have otherwise?
                          I don't know... if I was American, my number 1 fear would be the uninterrupted serie of war criminals that have been leading my nation in the past 60 years. But I doubt that it's good campaign material.
                          In Soviet Russia, Fake borises YOU.

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                          • #523
                            Originally posted by Oncle Boris


                            Open your eyes and realize that it's just not my point. Contrary to what many conservatives tend to believe, the world HADN'T changed - what had happened before in plenty of countries, including France, was just coming to America, and the specialist and diplomatic crowd knew it.

                            Maybe you just can't understand this Ted... but I'm not trying to make another discussion about whether or not 9/11 as an event could have been prevented. I don't care anyway. I'm saying that from a po sci perspective, the rise of Muslim integrism was a well known fact, and that nothing significant has really changed between the Bush and Clinton eras. The difference would be that as an ignorant, the typical American understood all of this the morning of 9/11. Now, would you vote for a president who is like the crowd of morons who can barely tell where is their country on a map of the world (indeed... studies have shown that nearly half of Americans have trouble situating their country on a world map).



                            Especially those guys who wrote the memo for Bush in August...



                            FYI I had had debates with my friends where it emerged that some kind of clash with the Muslim world was unavoidable, and that the right would use it again as a tool of 'fascisation'.
                            I think the point you are trying to make is that you think Americans are ignorant and stupid morons and you are superior to all of them.

                            Well done, Oracle
                            We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. - Abraham Lincoln

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                            • #524
                              Originally posted by Oncle Boris


                              If I was American, my number 1 fear would be the uninterrupted serie of war criminals that have been leading my nation in the past 60 years. But I doubt that it's good campaign material.
                              We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. - Abraham Lincoln

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                              • #525
                                HEYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!

                                I'm back...

                                It seems like the democrats screwed up their chances in the election. Ouch. Kerry faltered so badly as of late... and I must admit.. a week ago, I would say he was a pretty decent campaigner. But what happened? He tripped and messed up pretty badly.
                                For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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