Condoleeza Rice for president 2008

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Why don't you try re-reading what I wrote before you come off trying (key word there is trying) to sound like you're highly intelligent and educated. I think it was pretty easy to see my meaning.

ok, i'll reread it:
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Btw anyone who votes no and says they're a republican I expect a reason why or I will not count your vote.

this suggests to me that you MUST vote YES to CONDI in order to be a REPUBLICAN, otherwise your vote and opinion means nothing. this is no different from having to vote YES to KIM JONG-IL in order to be a NORTH KOREAN, otherwise your vote and opinion means nothing.

I find it hard to believe any Republican would vote no

makes it seem like that Republicans have a monolithic belief set, and that ALL Republicans are wholeheartedly behind everything that the Republican party does, up to and including welcoming such racial agitators like Michael Savage and Ann Coulter.

so I will just assume you are option 5 choosing option 4 if you don't give a reason.

sounds like a case of plugging your ears and saying "LALALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU" to those who have differing opinions.
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The fact is Condi would be the best possible candidate out of all of them and I find it hard to believe any conservative republican would vote for say Hillary if it came down between the two.

you're forgetting the huge step of the primaries, where it might turn out that the Republicans choose a different candidate other than Rice for the presidency. The fact that she is black and a woman will be a big stumbling block to a proportion of the Republican party.

So yes, if you don't give a reason why you are a Republican voting no then I will assume you are a liberal trying to influence the vote.

Why is this? Because you believe that all Republicans will act and think as you do? that all Republicans think and act with a single mind and single source of action? that you will all do as the Dear Leader says?

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by GePap
as a dirty immigrant, I can justify my misspellings

Not on those grounds, given how long you've been here.

[MalevolentLight]

this suggests to me that you MUST vote YES to CONDI in order to be a REPUBLICAN, otherwise your vote and opinion means nothing. this is no different from having to vote YES to KIM JONG-IL in order to be a NORTH KOREAN, otherwise your vote and opinion means nothing.

Typical wannabe intellectual liberal trying to intellectualize every little word said in an attempt to bend the words to a meaning they can attack. The fact is majority of republicans are becoming more conservative and the so called moderate republicans are disappearing (thankfully). So yes since we assume Condi has won the nomination and it is coming down to a race between some hardcore liberal democrat and the ultra conservative Condoleezza Rice I find it almost impossible that a Republican would vote no. By the way that's an interesting example you used there since you don't have a choice but to vote for Kim Jong-Il.

makes it seem like that Republicans have a monolithic belief set, and that ALL Republicans are wholeheartedly behind everything that the Republican party does, up to and including welcoming such racial agitators like Michael Savage and Ann Coulter.

"Racial Agitators" That's a new one I haven't heard used to describe conservative columnists and writers. Can you say cheap shot? But then again people like you really have no basis for what you say, it's just the same regurgitated one liners over and over.

sounds like a case of plugging your ears and saying "LALALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU" to those who have differing opinions.

No, sounds like I am familiar with the number of non-US residents posting here that have no qualms about faking a vote in order to move things in their direction (even if it is a useless forum poll).

you're forgetting the huge step of the primaries, where it might turn out that the Republicans choose a different candidate other than Rice for the presidency. The fact that she is black and a woman will be a big stumbling block to a proportion of the Republican party.

Pretty sure I made a post earlier saying that assume she has already won the primary and it was coming down to voting between Condi and a Democrat. Maybe I'm wrong though? Why don't you go try and prove me wrong?

[Arrian]

Wingnut alert!

There are an awful lot of assumptions in there. And we all know what assumptions do!

-Arrian

[BeBMan]

ROFL, vote what I tell you, or your votes aren't counted!!!

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by BeBro
ROFL, vote what I tell you, or your votes aren't counted!!!

Typical Repug.

My wife still hasn't received her absentee ballot, and the election is tomorrow.

[MalevolentLight]

No you can very easily pick the Democrat option and vote no. There is even an option for the liberal foreigners that constantly attack the US and the president. But if you are a republican and you honestly vote no for Condi and you would rather vote for a democrat I want a reason. By the way the democrats were the ones blocking absentee ballots in the 2000 election, not the republicans.

[Arrian]

Failure to allow an "I'm an independent" option is a serious flaw.

What about people who were once Republicans (or identified with the Republican party), but have since moved away (or rather the party has moved away from them)? Do you ASSume they must now be Democrats?

-Arrian

[MalevolentLight]

Well I can't change the poll now. Independents only make up about 5% of the population anyway.

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Typical wannabe intellectual liberal trying to intellectualize every little word said in an attempt to bend the words to a meaning they can attack.

I may be a wannabe intellectual, but it seems to me that my sentences tend to have more coherence and a slightly better structure than yours. Liberal? I hardly think so. In fact, our very own Che has taken me to task numerous times over my opposition to Affirmative Action, which shafts me, and my opposition to most forms of Welfare. However, I would disagree with you on trying to "intellectualize every little word", which I feel I haven't done. For one thing, I'm not sure what that entails, and for another, I was merely taking your words, which were in sentences, at face value, and giving you my impression of them. You asked for nothing less when you told me to try and re-read your initial statement.

The fact is majority of republicans are becoming more conservative and the so called moderate republicans are disappearing (thankfully).

Why is being a moderate bad? Is it because moderates have a harder time hewing to the line of the Party? You do realize that a smaller, more conservative Republican Party will have a slimmer base and therefore less influence over American politics at lage, right?

So yes since we assume Condi has won the nomination and it is coming down to a race between some hardcore liberal democrat and the ultra conservative Condoleezza Rice I find it almost impossible that a Republican would vote no.

If, as you've mentioned, decribed a Republican who is quite Conservative, I would not disagree. However, you are also ignoring the growing number of moderate independents, who will vote on who makes them feel better. Condi Rice may be able to do that, but there is also a chance that the other candidate, say Barack Obama, has greater appeal. Therefore, the few remaining moderate Republicans may not vote for Rice at all.

"Racial Agitators" That's a new one I haven't heard used to describe conservative columnists and writers. Can you say cheap shot? But then again people like you really have no basis for what you say, it's just the same regurgitated one liners over and over.

I hardly think it's a cheap shot.
If you want factual basis, I refer you to what Michael Savage has repeatedly called Asians: "Little Soy-eaters". Now, I may only be a wannabe intellectual who you say has liberal tendencies (actually, I am Liberal. It just so happens my type of Liberal is that of Classic Liberal Economics), but to me that definitely sounds inflammatory, and it does agitate plenty of Asians who do not see them selves as little or as soy-eaters. I will be the first to admit that I myself enjoy soy bean sprouts, tofu, and a little bit of soy sauce, but I do not define myself as a soy-eater. Had he called me a Kimchi-Hamburger eater, maybe things might be different.
More factual basis resides in Ann Coulter's books and columns. Norman Mineta is an American-born American-citizen who had to suffer through the internment camps simply because his parents were Japanese and not American citizens, regardless of the fact that American citzenrship was not open to Japanese not born on American soil. The Bataan Death March was an atrocity committed by the Imperial Japanese Army against American POWs, but it was not instigated by, nor had any links to, Japanese-American citizenry in the United States. Ann Coulter, however, links the Death March with Mineta in a highly offensive manner. It would be tantamount to saying that a person who is second- or third-generation German in office wants to put people into a Nazi Death Camp.

No, sounds like I am familiar with the number of non-US residents posting here that have no qualms about faking a vote in order to move things in their direction (even if it is a useless forum poll).

I do have an American passport. I am an American citizen. I was born here in America, in Georgia, in Atlanta, in Piedmont Hospital. My brother is an American citizen with an American passport; he too was born in the same place. My mother is an American citizen with an American passport. She passed the naturalization exam almost four years ago.
The reason why I chose to display a Korean flag is because my ancestry is Korean. It is hard to pretend that my ethnicity is any different, seeing as I am still second-generation. I do not pretend to be fully Korean, nor do I currently desire its citizenship.
You may be surprised to find that there are quite a few Americans on these boards who have flags that are not the Stars and Stripes.

Pretty sure I made a post earlier saying that assume she has already won the primary and it was coming down to voting between Condi and a Democrat. Maybe I'm wrong though? Why don't you go try and prove me wrong?

I made the point that her minority status will be a stumbling block to some Republican voters, and that just because she is Republican does not mean that a Democrat might not be able to get Republican votes.

[GePap]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
Not on those grounds, given how long you've been here.

Didn't you know you can never stop being a "dirty Mexican"? Just how backwards are ya'll in Mississippi?

[Arrian]

Methinks you underestimate our numbers, or you are using a different definition of independent than I am.

-Arrian

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By the way, your final poll option:

I am foreign scum and I am trying to influence this poll like I do your elections with my leftist anti-american agenda

Is it difficult to understand why, with this viewpoint, foreigners might have a hard time sympathizing with you? Or even seeing your viewpoint?

[Arrian]

We're feeding the troll. We know this. Yet we continue to do it. Why? Sheer boredom, I guess.

-Arrian

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We're feeding the troll. We know this. Yet we continue to do it. Why? Sheer boredom, I guess.