John Kerry the Braggart: Unfit For Command, Part 4

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Ned
Huh? The French government was the legitimate government.

France surrendered Indochina to the Japanese. The Vietnamese threw the Japanese out. They had won independence. Your refusal to acknowledge this basic reality shows how much of a partisan hack you are.

[MrFun]

How can any colonial government be legitimate, when its based on foreign-imposed rule upon a native population??

[chequita guevara]

Vietnam was a kingdom before it was invaded by France in the 19th Century.

[MrFun]

So if a country is "merely" a kingdom when another country imposes foreign rule, then that foreign-imposed government can be legitimate for that reason?

[Lincoln]

Let's get back to Kerry's fitness to lead, shall we? Does being a war criminal make a good leader? Should we worry, if Kerry is elected, that he will be dragged off to the Hague to answer for his war crimes? These are all legitimate question...

[Ming]

Originally posted by Lincoln
Should we worry, if Kerry is elected, that he will be dragged off to the Hague to answer for his war crimes? These are all legitimate question...

Oh come on... I can't even give this a legitimate troll score it's so low...

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

But it is funny.

[Kropotkin]

Yeaj, you americans can't elect Kerry, as he used his own lighter to burn down a few huts. There's however no need to have that kind of concern over Bush, a person that started a war of aggression, just go ahead and elect him!

[Ned]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara


I'm not lying. There was a deal on the table in '68. Then the South Vietnamese sabotaged it thinking they'd get a better deal under Nixon (cuz they were told that by the Nixon campaign). Traitors

No deal was on the table. The negotiations in '68 only progressed around one topic, who was going to sit at the table. In January '69, that impass was broken with the agreement to a round table.

[Ned]

B, I won't respond to your post in detail. Just let me say that you substitute blind hatred of colonialism for reason.

After WWII, the only government in SV was the French government. They were in a fight with Uncle Ho. Soon, the French set up goverments of Vietnam, Cambodia and Laos. But rather engage in a democratic process within these governments, Uncle Ho continued to fight to get the French out and impose his own, communist, governments throughout the region.

Sound familiar, doesn't it?

I am thinking now of al-Sadr.

[Ned]

Originally posted by MrFun
How can any colonial government be legitimate, when its based on foreign-imposed rule upon a native population??

And, I suppose if the governments are communist governments imposed from the USSR or China, they are legitimate?

[MichaeltheGreat]

Originally posted by Ned
B, I won't respond to your post in detail. Just let me say that you substitute blind hatred of colonialism for reason.

After WWII, the only government in SV was the French government. They were in a fight with Uncle Ho. Soon, the French set up goverments of Vietnam, Cambodia and Laos. But rather engage in a democratic process within these governments, Uncle Ho continued to fight to get the French out and impose his own, communist, governments throughout the region.

Sound familiar, doesn't it?

After WWII, there was no SV at all, The partition didn't happen until after Bac Ho whipped the Froggies at Dien Bien Phu, and the Froggies said, **** it, why do we even care about this dump? (Something we should have said in '64.)

The French colonial government didn't appear until the American and British occupation authorities decided to return Vietnam to the French, and then decided to release and rearm Japanese POWs (hated by the Vietnamese people) to provide the initial muscle on the ground for the resumption of French colonial rule.

There was no "democratic process" to be had with the French, any more than there was a "democratic process" to be had with King George III.

I am thinking now of al-Sadr.

Al-Sadr doesn't amount to a pimple on Ho's ass.

[MichaeltheGreat]

Originally posted by Ned


And, I suppose if the governments are communist governments imposed from the USSR or China, they are legitimate?

Bac Ho's communism was home grown. Convenient to the USSR and China, but imposed by neither.

And like it or not, it had far more support of the Vietnamese peasants that made up the mass of the population than did the French, their lackey Bao Dai, or any of the collection of "elected" SVN generals and thugs.

[Ned]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara


France surrendered Indochina to the Japanese. The Vietnamese threw the Japanese out. They had won independence. Your refusal to acknowledge this basic reality shows how much of a partisan hack you are.

Now you are saying that Uncle Ho conquered the Japanese in IndoChina and that the Japanese surrendered there to the communists?

You revise history at will, don't you?

[Ned]

Excuse me, MtG, I meant "IndoChina." The Chinese and Brits had operational control until the French could re-establish themselves. But the point was, the only recognised legal government in IndoChina immediately after the war was the French gov't. Ho Chi Mingh, just one of many anti-Japanese resistance fighters, had no control over the whole area.