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  • #91
    Originally posted by Velociryx
    Opportunity cost? LOL...oh. Okay then.



    -=Vel=-
    Is that your cry out for an economics lesson?
    I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
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    • #92
      Preach it, Arrian!



      -=Vel=-
      The list of published books grows. If you're curious to see what sort of stories I weave out, head to Amazon.com and do an author search for "Christopher Hartpence." Help support Candle'Bre, a game created by gamers FOR gamers. All proceeds from my published works go directly to the project.

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      • #93
        Is that your cry out for an economics lesson?

        Ummm...no.

        Definitely not.

        -=Vel=-
        (BBA Economics, focus on the economies of developing nations, minor in Philosophy, in case you were curious)
        The list of published books grows. If you're curious to see what sort of stories I weave out, head to Amazon.com and do an author search for "Christopher Hartpence." Help support Candle'Bre, a game created by gamers FOR gamers. All proceeds from my published works go directly to the project.

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        • #94
          I'm not against taxation. I understand that I must pay in order for the government to do the things I and others want it to do. That's FINE. What I cannot stand is all the shenanigans that go along with that, such as "robbing Peter to pay Paul" which the government does all the freakin' time. New taxes or other fund raising tools (lottery) are introduced, supposedly to pay for a specific thing. The public agrees to it because they recognize the need for it. Yet, 10 years later the money is "discovered" to be flowing to lots of other things, and the original thing it was supposed to fund is ailing. That's not ok.

          And don't even get me started about chronic deficit spending.

          -Arrian
          grog want tank...Grog Want Tank... GROG WANT TANK!

          The trick isn't to break some eggs to make an omelette, it's convincing the eggs to break themselves in order to aspire to omelettehood.

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          • #95
            Originally posted by Velociryx
            Is that your cry out for an economics lesson?

            Ummm...no.

            Definitely not.

            -=Vel=-
            (BBA Economics, focus on the economies of developing nations, minor in Philosophy, in case you were curious)
            And you don't know what opportunity cost is?
            I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
            - Justice Brett Kavanaugh

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            • #96
              Always been one of my pet peeves too, Arrian....I HATE the smoke and mirrors approach to governmental accounting.

              There's not a company in the nation that could get away with even a quarter of the junk that the USgov gets by with.

              It makes the people at Enron look like bastions of accountability.



              -=Vel=-
              The list of published books grows. If you're curious to see what sort of stories I weave out, head to Amazon.com and do an author search for "Christopher Hartpence." Help support Candle'Bre, a game created by gamers FOR gamers. All proceeds from my published works go directly to the project.

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              • #97
                Yes, and I know that money earmarked for the social security system was set up to be "untouchable" to fund other government programs.

                Further, I know that this position has been violated repeatedly as the fund for the safety net has been repeatedly plundered due to accounting shenanigans by the a$$es of politicians we have "serving" us on the Hill.

                Opportunity cost, in any form or fashion, should not even enter into the equation. If the system is badly designed, then we either scrap it or fix it. We don't continue to plunder what IS there in the name of "opportunity cost" so we can defend ourselves against imaginary enemies....as if our thirteen (THIRTEEN) carrier groups aren't enough to sink every other navy on the friggin planet.



                -=Vel=-
                The list of published books grows. If you're curious to see what sort of stories I weave out, head to Amazon.com and do an author search for "Christopher Hartpence." Help support Candle'Bre, a game created by gamers FOR gamers. All proceeds from my published works go directly to the project.

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                • #98
                  Originally posted by Arrian
                  Each thing in its place. Social Security should not be a government slush fund. If that's allowed, then it's easier for the government to get more of our money to waste. "Oh, SS is in trouble, we must help!" And of course we will ante up for that. If, instead, they had to be honest and say "we need more money to fund the aquisition of 100 new bombers" or "we need more money for welfare" or whatever, then we could fairly assess whether or not taxes should rise.

                  I'd like to unravel the government's crazy accounting, and keep funds intended for a certain thing restricted to that certain thing.

                  -Arrian
                  People are fully aware that SS is a slush fund and that the govt uses the money for funding. You don't give people enough credit.
                  I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
                  - Justice Brett Kavanaugh

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                  • #99
                    Do we really have 13 of those things now? Wow. I thought it was 8 (which is still plenty).

                    -Arrian
                    grog want tank...Grog Want Tank... GROG WANT TANK!

                    The trick isn't to break some eggs to make an omelette, it's convincing the eggs to break themselves in order to aspire to omelettehood.

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                    • #100
                      I think there are 4-5 that are semi-active....8 active, more in reserve....

                      but bloody hell....even if we scrapped everything down to 8 (including getting rid of all the old Iowas in mothball), we'd STILL have enough teeth to tangle with nearly everybody else at the same time.

                      -=Vel=-
                      The list of published books grows. If you're curious to see what sort of stories I weave out, head to Amazon.com and do an author search for "Christopher Hartpence." Help support Candle'Bre, a game created by gamers FOR gamers. All proceeds from my published works go directly to the project.

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                      • #101
                        People are fully aware that SS is a slush fund and that the govt uses the money for funding. You don't give people enough credit.
                        And many of us are PISSED about that. It should NOT be used like that.

                        Further, despite knowing that the government can plunder it, when the government raises the call of "SS is in trouble" we have little choice but to respond, because the threat is that the system will collapse, screwing those of us who have paid into it (and our parents, if they're still around).

                        -Arrian
                        grog want tank...Grog Want Tank... GROG WANT TANK!

                        The trick isn't to break some eggs to make an omelette, it's convincing the eggs to break themselves in order to aspire to omelettehood.

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                        • #102
                          Originally posted by Velociryx
                          Opportunity cost, in any form or fashion, should not even enter into the equation. If the system is badly designed, then we either scrap it or fix it. We don't continue to plunder what IS there in the name of "opportunity cost" so we can defend ourselves against imaginary enemies....as if our thirteen (THIRTEEN) carrier groups aren't enough to sink every other navy on the friggin planet.
                          Nobody does anything in the same of opportunity cost. Get a grip. Do you actually think this kind of rhetoric is effective in this environment.

                          Opportunity cost is one of the foundational principles of economics. I find it incredible that someone with a BA thinks that it, "shouldn't be entered into the equation."
                          I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
                          - Justice Brett Kavanaugh

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                          • #103
                            Originally posted by Arrian


                            And many of us are PISSED about that. It should NOT be used like that.
                            Eh. Translate that to Repugs are pissed, because they don't want any means tested programs. That's the real reason they oppose SS. They are just as quick to spend the slush fund as the Dems though.
                            I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
                            - Justice Brett Kavanaugh

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                            • #104
                              Kid...having SEEN your strange and oddly beautiful definitions of economic concepts in action, I shudder to even THINK at what you might actually have in your mind when you mention that term.

                              Nonetheless, I'm not going to turn this into (yet another) threadjack between you and I, so I will bite my lip and say nothing further.

                              Obviously the question of opportunity cost....oh God...never mind....I'm not lighting the match.

                              -=Vel=-
                              The list of published books grows. If you're curious to see what sort of stories I weave out, head to Amazon.com and do an author search for "Christopher Hartpence." Help support Candle'Bre, a game created by gamers FOR gamers. All proceeds from my published works go directly to the project.

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                              • #105
                                Damnit, man, READ what I type!

                                I am not a Republican. I do not oppose social programs. I oppose the current implementation of a particular program! Not because I seek to hoard my wealth, but because I hate the idea that my wealth will be wasted.

                                Vel and I have been bantering about carrier groups. Which party tends to blow silly amounts of money on those? The Republicans. Both do it, but the Republicans tend toward more military pork barrel. So we're *****ing about a typical Republican thing and you "translate" my posts and conclude I'm a Republican?

                                Reading comprehension. It's a basic skill.

                                -Arrian
                                grog want tank...Grog Want Tank... GROG WANT TANK!

                                The trick isn't to break some eggs to make an omelette, it's convincing the eggs to break themselves in order to aspire to omelettehood.

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