Breastfeeding: the next civil right?

[Patroklos]

I would agree, minus the shriveled larva that is sapping them.

[Az]

Nudity is only nice if the other person is attractive.

Well, at least you're not a prude.

[Patroklos]

I am not getting any nourishment. There you have it, if she is going to breat feed in public then the public should have full access.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by General Ludd
Your mother must of had poor hygiene if that's what you compair breastfeeding to.

What's the difference? They are all "natural and healthy" (TM) bodily functions.

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by Patroklos
At least those are required bodily functions. Breat feeding is not.

It is for the baby.

And the difference between urinating / crapping, is that breast-feeding poses no hygiene problem. The bodily functions you're mentioning stink, and can pose hygiene problems if they aren't performed in the toilet.

However, I always saw toilet doors as something designed at protecting the modesty of those inside, rather than those outside. That's why some people use open urinals, while some others only use the closed cabins.

[General Ludd]

Originally posted by Spiffor

It is for the baby.

And the mother, actually.

I am not getting any nourishment. There you have it, if she is going to breat feed in public then the public should have full access.

You envision an ideal society, where the unnatractive are outlawed and rape and sexual harrasment of women accepted.

[DanS]

Public breastfeeding is good.

[Last Conformist]

People who object to public breastfeeding are sick and inhuman.

That said, people have the right to be sick and inhuman bastards, and should be allowed to forbid breastfeeding on their private property.

[Patroklos]

You envision an ideal society, where the unnatractive are outlawed and rape and sexual harrasment of women accepted.

Actually you said that, you got some issues to work on.

And everyone should breast feed in private, not just the unattractive. Besides the fact it is a text book case of public nudity, and thus constututionaly banned by the most concrete obsenity laws in existance. Unless of course you want all the strip joints back in your neighboorhoods for your 4 year old to enjoy.

And we can always mount the urinals outside the bathroom, and toilets for that matter, right next to your table.

[The diplomat]

Originally posted by Azazel
I wonder what's diplomat's stance on this. Is being "the next civil right" considered to be a good thing, or a bad thing ("like when they allowed women and darkies to vote".)

Yes, I fully support women and african-american's right to vote. All people, irrespective of gender, race, sexual orientation, economic status, should have the same right to vote.

My stance is that public breastfeeding should be allowed but with certain modesty requirements. It is simple common sense that when you are in public you should show basic good manners. I personally would not be offended by breastfeeding but someone else might be. When you are in public, you should be sensitive to that.

Just my personal opinion but I think society overreacts a bit regarding nudity. We have R rated movies with explicit sex scenes. Sports Illustrated calendar has models in revealing bikinis, and some even topless but covering their boobs with their hands. The fact is that some bikinis that women wear don't cover much. The difference between wearing the bikini and going topless is almost non-existent. Yet, if a woman shows half a nipple while brestfeeding, it's offensive?

[Flubber]

Our personal choice . . . Mrs Flubber pretty much always breast fed little Flub in private .. .. she had no wish to expose herself to the world. Sometimes she would do it very discreetly in a public place (usually a couple of drapings and the reality is you can see less of the breast when he is feeding than many "normal tops" would show)

Sometimes the location does not have a good private place for this. The washroom is usually not an option. Leaving aside the lack of cleanliness in most, where does the Mom sit?


If you said "on the toilet", You must be joking.

Thankfully many malls now have dedicated breastfeeding rooms with a comfy chair, change station sink ( and often some complementary diapers and wipes).


I am in favor of allowing breastfeeding in public. I also believe that the Mom should attempt to be private and a bit discreet. We found that draping a blanket over little Flub meant nothing was exposed and that he fed better as nothing else was coming into his field of view to distract him. We also found that going to a breastfeeding room meant for less distraction and better feeding. So if someone is asserting a "right" to do this as publicly as possible, my view is that they are putting their "right" above using the best means to feed their baby, which IMHO is in as quiet a place as possible.


Its too bad some people have NO common sense.

[Spiffor]

Az:
Just a little nipick, but allowing the Blacks and women to vote is not a civil right, but a political one. A person or even a regime can be opposed to many civil rights, while believing everybody should be able to decide whether things are forbidden or not (i.e it is very possible that a democracy has death penalty, and very restrictive laws, simply because the people freely agree with it)

[General Ludd]

Originally posted by Patroklos


Actually you said that, you got some issues to work on.

You've said that public nudity is acceptable as long as the person is attractive, and that the public should have "full access" to a woman's body.

And everyone should breast feed in private, not just the unattractive. Besides the fact it is a text book case of public nudity, and thus constututionaly banned by the most concrete obsenity laws in existance. Unless of course you want all the strip joints back in your neighboorhoods for your 4 year old to enjoy.

I don't think a 4 year old could afford a strip joint, or would have the sexual drive to be interested in it. I suspect that they would rather play in the park or something.

And we can always mount the urinals outside the bathroom, and toilets for that matter, right next to your table.

You're confusing nudity with hygiene and sanitation again.

My stance is that public breastfeeding should be allowed but with certain modesty requirements. It is simple common sense that when you are in public you should show basic good manners. I personally would not be offended by breastfeeding but someone else might be. When you are in public, you should be sensitive to that.

Do you feel the same way about revealing clothing, vulgar slogans and logos, and religous apparel?

[Last Conformist]

Originally posted by Patroklos

And everyone should breast feed in private, not just the unattractive. Besides the fact it is a text book case of public nudity, and thus constututionaly banned by the most concrete obsenity laws in existance. Unless of course you want all the strip joints back in your neighboorhoods for your 4 year old to enjoy.

Whoha, do I spot a slippery slope!

[Whoha]

hell no.