John Kerry the war criminal: Unfit to command, part 2

[notyoueither]

Uhhhh, the guy who might have lied on his time slip might look better than the guy who lied about greasing kids... but maybe that's just me.

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[notyoueither]

And again, the damage to Bush has already been done. The people who went on the witch hunt for Bush some time ago are the real culprits here. Vietnam should be gone and forgotten, except...

People keep bringing it up. You can't expect Kerry to go with superficial inspection after what was going on with Bush not so long ago. Whoever did Bush assured that whoever came out of the Dems had better have been squeeky clean. That's called fair ball.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by notyoueither
And your asking V vets to 'trust' the nice guys from the government...

Didn't you say something about that just a little while ago?

But these are Vets who supposedly trusted and supported the government, were offended by Kerry's remarks, and still didn't contradict him (other than O'Neal).

As for Vets who felt bad about what they did still hanging their head 30-40 years later, not all did. I know several Vets who took their shame at what they did and turned it to anger at the government for putting them in that situation. Kerry, apparently, is one of those. He helped end the war, and that makes him a hero.

[notyoueither]

... and then there's Kerry himself, wrapping himself in vets. He himself made it an issue. Pretty stupid of him to do that if he wasn't sure what the people who served with and around him would have to say on it.

Maybe he thinks the electorate is so polarized it just won't make a difference though.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by notyoueither
And again, the damage to Bush has already been done.

Not really. The press bent over backwards to prove the Bush didn't go AWOL or desert. Anytime the Prez released some records, they acted satisfied, even though nothing Bush has released to date proves he was on base those last few months. The media has been pretty afraid to touch Bush on this issue, outside of actual liberal media like Salon.

[molly bloom]

Originally posted by notyoueither
Uhhhh, the guy who might have lied on his time slip might look better than the guy who lied about greasing kids... but maybe that's just me.

Yeah, because avoiding a war by using your family connections and instituting another war in which you send young men and women to go abroad and die for your country (something you were reluctant to do yourself) really covers Bushbaby in glory and makes him look so peachy clean.

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara


But these are Vets who supposedly trusted and supported the government, were offended by Kerry's remarks, and still didn't contradict him (other than O'Neal).

As for Vets who felt bad about what they did still hanging their head 30-40 years later, not all did. I know several Vets who took their shame at what they did and turned it to anger at the government for putting them in that situation. Kerry, apparently, is one of those. He helped end the war, and that makes him a hero.

You think that college kids had more reason to distrust the government than vets after the debacle of Vietnam? I wouldn't want to put money on either option, to be honest. That was one FUBAR situation.

We will have to differ about 'heros' in the US causing the loss of a war your military had won seven ways to Sunday in the field. 'Betrayal' would be the word I would use. Your nation sent them off to fight and die, and then promptly defeated itself in your own livingrooms via the editorial pages and news broadcasts.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by notyoueither
Pretty stupid of him to do that if he wasn't sure what the people who served with and around him would have to say on it.

The press is giving this story serious scrutiny and pointing out the contradictions (like Thrulow and Warner). I think that if it isn't true, then Kerry figured his critics haven't been able to hurt him in the last 30 years, they aren't going to do so now.

[dannubis]

all i can say is that the bush campaign has mastered the art of misdirection.

all the attention goes to a conflict that ended almost 30 years ago while the mistakes that have been made by the bush admin the past four years on domestic as well as foreign policy slip by unnoticed...

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by molly bloom


Yeah, because avoiding a war by using your family connections and instituting another war in which you send young men and women to go abroad and die for your country (something you were reluctant to do yourself) really covers Bushbaby in glory and makes him look so peachy clean.

You know, I've never understood the Chickenhawk argument, and I suspect most people don't give a ****.

You may or may not serve under fire. You may or may not be a leader when it is time to start firing.

That line of argument has it that only vets can be leaders of nations at any time, because the firing might break out.

Critics of Bush might like it, and it might thrill you to get the jab in, but it's pure and simple BS. Nobody really cares, I think.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by notyoueither
You think that college kids had more reason to distrust the government than vets after the debacle of Vietnam?

Vietnam vets were largest single group in the antiwar movement. Nonetheless, a large number of vets still supported the war and the government when they returned home. O'Neal, who is one of Kerry's critics, is one of those people.

We will have to differ about 'heros' in the US causing the loss of a war your military had won seven ways to Sunday in the field.

That's a myth. South Vietnam was crumbling around us. The only way we could stave off the inevitable collapse was to remain in Vietnam forever. Furthermore, the military was losing more control over its own soliders, with strikes and fraggings, etc. While the U.S. wasn't as close to revolution as many people (including the government) thought it was back then, the longer we stayed in Vietnam, the closer we got to it. There is no way we could have won that war. We only could have lost it later on.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by notyoueither
You know, I've never understood the Chickenhawk argument, and I suspect most people don't give a ****.

The chickenhawk argument is that people who manipualted the system to get out of a way they supported politically are hypocrites, and hypocrites should not be given political office. Honestly opposing the war is preferable to supporting it, but then getting out of serving because you have a pimple on your ass (Rush) or you have "better things to do. (Cheney)"

[molly bloom]

Originally posted by notyoueither
...look better than the guy who lied about greasing kids... but maybe that's just me.

Sorry to ask, but how many children is Kerry supposed to have 'greased' and how exactly?


Did he order the greasing, or do it himself?

Or is this speculation on your part?

[chequita guevara]

He is accused of having shot a Vietcong soldier who was unarmed and running away. He claims the man had an RPG and was preparing to fire.

[molly bloom]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
He is accused of having shot a Vietcong soldier who was unarmed and running away. He claims the man had an RPG and was preparing to fire.

So we're not talking My Lai here?


'Cos that what it sounds like from nye's post.