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  • #136
    Originally posted by Berzerker
    yup, no easy solutions but that's probably the best (assuming of course this guy deserves it). I suspect they'll all make up
    He had another cleric killed a few months ago who did not agree with his policies I think.

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    • #137
      He had another cleric killed a few months ago who did not agree with his policies I think.
      And I can believe your source?

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      • #138
        Originally posted by Berzerker


        And I can believe your source?
        My source was CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS etc.

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        • #139
          Originally posted by Spiffor
          Things will be far more palatable if Iraqis do it. It will hurt Iraqi nationalism far less, and it will limit the extra support Sadr would get from nationalist Iraqis.
          We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. - Abraham Lincoln

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          • #140
            My source was CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS etc.
            Who told them? The government?

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            • #141
              Originally posted by Berzerker


              Who told them? The government?
              Who told you OBL was behind 9/11?
              I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
              For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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              • #142
                It's pretty much generally accepted fact that Sadr was involved in the assassination of Khoei.

                As for killing him, that'd be bad. I can't say for sure whether the alternative's any better. But all hell would break loose if Sadr gets killed (by ours or Allawi's forces, it doesn't matter).
                "Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
                -Bokonon

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                • #143
                  I think he's overrated

                  I think the previous rebellions weren't due to him but more due to US leaderships incompetence in letting the militias and rebellions fester in the first place when they were small and easily put down.

                  This is the exact same way the LA riots started. It was one small street in South Central that was acting up but the cops fled the scene, when they should have called in reinforcements.

                  You know the rest of the story.
                  We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. - Abraham Lincoln

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                  • #144
                    He's the head of a milleniarist movement that thinks that the Mahdi's going to come any minute now and smack us down. Basically these guys are like the militia folks, but much, much stronger and with tribal connections and urban slums as a pretty much limitless recruiting ground.

                    Sadr wasn't ultimately responsible for the Sadrist revolt (ultimately, this is a movement with a substantial societal base that survived a couple decades under Saddam - and was set off by suppression of their press), but he helped to direct it. Killing him would be a sign that all hell is breaking loose. Using the milita analogy, the effect of killing him (especially if the Imam Ali Shrine is destroyed in the process) would be like the Waco incident, but much, much, much worse.
                    Last edited by Ramo; August 25, 2004, 00:59.
                    "Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
                    -Bokonon

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                    • #145
                      But there are others who would welcome it after he and his army have perverted the Shine for their own stupid ideals.

                      He's also a known murderer who has killed a fellow cleric and has destroyed the towns he has sought refuge in.

                      The guys who are holed up in that shrine are coming out one way or another, and it will be a non issue once they do.
                      We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. - Abraham Lincoln

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                      • #146
                        In the middle and upper class, they'd welcome it. But they already hated Sadr before this. Same thing with most of the people of Najaf, but again that wasn't where his support was.

                        In places like the slums of Baghdad, they love him. And they love him all the more for standing up to Allawi.

                        And what are you saying will be a nonissue? The Shrine? The fate of the men in the Shrine?
                        "Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
                        -Bokonon

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                        • #147
                          Who told you OBL was behind 9/11?
                          He did... Of course the tapes could have been doctored but given the downside of such a ploy being exposed I doubt the government would try that.

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                          • #148
                            Originally posted by Ramo
                            In the middle and upper class, they'd welcome it. But they already hated Sadr before this. Same thing with most of the people of Najaf, but again that wasn't where his support was.

                            In places like the slums of Baghdad, they love him. And they love him all the more for standing up to Allawi.

                            And what are you saying will be a nonissue? The Shrine? The fate of the men in the Shrine?

                            Yep.

                            Those men can all die and it's not going to be some celebrated moment that is remebered forever.
                            We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. - Abraham Lincoln

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                            • #149
                              No. It'd seriously enrage the entire Shia world (to get a sense of that, most of the gov't we appointed to rule Najaf, who all hate Sadr, resigned because of our reckless policies), and even the Sunni world to some extent (the Mufti of Cairo, essentially the second most influential Sunni cleric, is getting pretty angry for instance). And if there's major destruction to the Shrine, it'll be even worse (it's bad enough that we've been bombing the most sacred cemetary they've got). And the Sadrists, who just had their comrades and relatives martyred, their most sacred site reduced to rubble, will get extraordinarily pissed off. And they'll think that the end of the world is coming. I think that it'd precipitate full-scale Sadrist rebellion. Especially if Sadr gets killed as well.
                              "Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
                              -Bokonon

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                              • #150
                                Originally posted by Spiffor

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                                I didn't know there were 5,500 to 6,500 inhabitants in Iraq
                                I see they've revised their counts downward since last summer. I guess that means that not only aren't we killing anyone over there, we're actually bringing people back to life. All hail the miracle workers from the USA!
                                He's got the Midas touch.
                                But he touched it too much!
                                Hey Goldmember, Hey Goldmember!

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