Rapist and murderer of schoolgirl hanged

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Natalinasmpf
Breaking principles can be considered a law. Well a principle OF laws, because they generally are concerned about laws in general.

If the're laws why do you call them principles. Principles are less than laws by definition.
[QUOTE] Originally posted by Natalinasmpf

Giving punishment that is harsher than the crime is inhuman.

Originally posted by Natalinasmpf
Eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth, four times over.

The punishment IS supposed to be harsher than the crime. Thats what deterrent sentences are for. Its supposed to severely outweigh in cost, the benefit of the crime. Hardly inhuman, in fact, it sounds like human nature.

Not in countries that abide by human rights. The punishment can't be greater than the crime.

Originally posted by Natalinasmpf

Nonsense. Do you have any concern for individual rights at all. What makes you think that the state is more important than the individuals?

I have a lot of concern for individual rights. But...

The goals of the greater group are transcendent

Especially when the invididuals make up the state.

Holy Cow! That quote is from Yang. Are you serious. Yes Singapore is somewhat of a police state. Are you proud of that?

[grobnok]

Originally posted by Kidicious
Holy Cow! That quote is from Yang. Are you serious. Yes Singapore is somewhat of a police state. Are you proud of that?

Exactly.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Kidicious
Yeah. Were you saying that executing murderers was a violation of their rights?

No, I wasn't. I was pointing out why I found Whaleboy's arguement wanting.

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by grobnok
These are small crimes. This shows that the singaporian law is oppressive.

You claim to be a Chinese but you don't appear to understand the (East) Asian mindset at all.

We place the group above the individual. Children just don't rush out to rent or buy their own pad when they reach 18. Families take care of their elders, etc.

[Kidlicious]

Understanding and agreeing are two different things UR

[Urban Ranger]

That's just something you have to agree to disagree.

Some peoples are willing to give up some individual freedoms for family and country, others hold that family and country come second.

These are two different approaches, neither is superior.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Urban Ranger
That's just something you have to agree to disagree.

Some peoples are willing to give up some individual freedoms for family and country, others hold that family and country come second.

These are two different approaches, neither is superior.

But we aren't really talking about volunteering to sacrifice yourself. We're talking about being forced to. Not all people of East Asian decent agree with that.

[Imran Siddiqui]

The execution was justified in my eyes, btw.

[Natalinasmpf]

That quote is from Yang

Its from the Ascetic Virtues, Yang merely hijacks the agenda for his own purposes. To give consideration for the greater good. Sacrificing oneself isn't easy, but thats why martyrs make great heroes.

Yes Singapore is somewhat of a police state. Are you proud of that?

No, but we have a lot of justifications for our laws, even if we aren't a police state.

The political laws I am not proud of. The other laws are perfectly fine with me. If they were laxed, our trade and source of revenue would fall apart, and our economy would collapse.

If the're laws why do you call them principles. Principles are less than laws by definition.

Its a blanket label, it also includes nuclear and arms treatises, things like that, relations, etc, heck the civic agenda, UN charter, Treaty of Versailles, things like that. Or very simple principles.

If a organisation tried to launch a nuclear weapon (suppose they did), not only should they be charged for destruction, but for endangering weapons treaties in the process, especially when framing countries against each other.

If a serial racist murderer, in doing his killings and targetting those of another race, endangers racial harmony and puts a country on the verge of racial rioting; then he should be charged with also causing unrest and destroying racial harmony. (Racial harmony endangerment is an offence for us, btw)

If a vandal, in his attitude, promotes US nationalism and their overrule of sovereignty, then not only should be be charged for vandalism, but for promoting the hijack of the civic agenda, which the US likes to do.

[MRT144]

depends on the society

[Kidlicious]

You don't really have law or justice then. Just thugery.

[Natalinasmpf]

That is very debatable.

Its merely Asian reactionary culture.

Authoritarianism is irrelevant - that is for political issues.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Natalinasmpf
That is very debatable.

Its merely Asian reactionary culture.

Authoritarianism is irrelevant - that is for political issues.

It's not an Asian thing. It's authoritarian thing. I know a lot of people who come here to study and find out what freedom is about and never go back to your country.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Not in countries that abide by human rights. The punishment can't be greater than the crime.

Not really. I believe just about every country will fine you for more than you stole. The punishment usually has to have some deterrant effect as well, or else it's useless.

Btw, I have no problem with the Singapore caning. It's ridiculous that Americans go into other counties, do illegal things, and then complain that they are being punished in the way that country punishes criminals.

[Natalinasmpf]

It's not an Asian thing. It's authoritarian thing. I know a lot of people who come here to study and find out what freedom is about and never go back to your country.

It is NOT an authoritarian thing.

Caning just happened to be normal in our culture. Parents and rehab authorities have the ability to use pain for discipline.

I know what freedom is, I went to the US, but they have a huge double standard and hypocrisy. I went, I came back. Ha!