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  • #31
    Kuci:

    ambition and intelligence are apples and oranges. Intelligence is a skill. Ambition is the natural order of existance.
    "Flutie was better than Kelly, Elway, Esiason and Cunningham." - Ben Kenobi
    "I have nothing against Wilson, but he's nowhere near the same calibre of QB as Flutie. Flutie threw for 5k+ yards in the CFL." -Ben Kenobi

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    • #32
      Kuci:

      my placing of importance on my existance causes me to wish to not be discomforted and to desire more of those things which are I desire. Therefore, I am ambitious.

      anyone who is not ambitious has no self-worth.
      "Flutie was better than Kelly, Elway, Esiason and Cunningham." - Ben Kenobi
      "I have nothing against Wilson, but he's nowhere near the same calibre of QB as Flutie. Flutie threw for 5k+ yards in the CFL." -Ben Kenobi

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      • #33
        Intelligence is the tendency to be right. Ambition is the tendency to try and improve one's condition. It is not the "natural order" of the universe; it is prevalent only because it leads to its own prevalence. Ambition, like intelligence, can lead to wrong action. Ambition, like intelligence, can lead to right action. Both, however, tend to magnify the effects of that action, which is why we call them virtuous - because they allow for greater good to be done.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by Albert Speer
          Ted:

          the morality of the action is irrelevant to the morality of the motivational emotion.

          **** Kant
          Having a motivation to kill a bunch of people is generally immoral. duh

          Ted Striker
          We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. - Abraham Lincoln

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          • #35
            Ambition is the tendency to try and improve one's condition.
            and what organism on the planet does not have ambition?
            "Flutie was better than Kelly, Elway, Esiason and Cunningham." - Ben Kenobi
            "I have nothing against Wilson, but he's nowhere near the same calibre of QB as Flutie. Flutie threw for 5k+ yards in the CFL." -Ben Kenobi

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            • #36
              Actually, having the motivation is not immoral. Acting upon it is.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by Albert Speer
                and what organism on the planet does not have ambition?
                See above re: prevalence.

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                • #38
                  I am surprised to find that Ted Striker has a Kantian sense of morality... who would have figured?

                  What is the universal maxim of "I'd Hit It"?
                  "Flutie was better than Kelly, Elway, Esiason and Cunningham." - Ben Kenobi
                  "I have nothing against Wilson, but he's nowhere near the same calibre of QB as Flutie. Flutie threw for 5k+ yards in the CFL." -Ben Kenobi

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Albert Speer
                    Kuci:

                    my placing of importance on my existance causes me to wish to not be discomforted and to desire more of those things which are I desire. Therefore, I am ambitious.

                    anyone who is not ambitious has no self-worth.
                    Rather, anyone who is not ambitious has exactly as much self-worth as their present condition.

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                    • #40
                      It is not the "natural order" of the universe; it is prevalent only because it leads to its own prevalence.
                      the alternative being a sacrificialism? Only lemmings exhibit such behaviour.

                      and as there is a lack of a viable alternative to ambition, it can be therefore assumed that ambition is the natural order of life.
                      "Flutie was better than Kelly, Elway, Esiason and Cunningham." - Ben Kenobi
                      "I have nothing against Wilson, but he's nowhere near the same calibre of QB as Flutie. Flutie threw for 5k+ yards in the CFL." -Ben Kenobi

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by Albert Speer
                        I am surprised to find that Ted Striker has a Kantian sense of morality... who would have figured?

                        What is the universal maxim of "I'd Hit It"?

                        Nice try. But that's where you guys are getting it wrong.


                        Ambition without follow up action fails to be ambition in the first place. Without the followup action it is nothing more than wishful thinking.


                        "I'd hit it," isn't ambitious. It's just a natural biological reaction to finding someone attactive.
                        We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. - Abraham Lincoln

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                        • #42
                          What do you mean, alternative? It's prevalence isn't the natural order; the natural order is it's tendency, by it's nature, to become so.

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by Kuciwalker
                            Boredom is discontent with one's present condition, but not through pain, merely lack of stimulation. In that, it fuels ambition, as does any form of discontent.
                            Exactly.
                            Ambition can result from difficult situations, but ambition that is the result of lack of stimulation changes the course of human history.
                            If Napoleon just wanted creature comforts he'd have stopped when he had enough for a two car garage, and a barbucue grill.
                            "We may be in a hallucination here, but that's no excuse for being delusional!." K.S. Robinson, 'The Years Of Rice And Salt.'

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                            • #44
                              I would say the times in my life when I have been the most motivated were the times I was the least content.
                              We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. - Abraham Lincoln

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                              • #45
                                maybe i'm tired (i only slept 4 hours in the past 36) but none of yall are making any sense to me.

                                communism is said to not work because people are selfish (read ambitious, self-bettering). It is described as a common trait possessed by all but the most indoctrinated human beings. Men like Darwin, Spencer, and Nietzsche claimed this trait of self-concern is also the trait common to all organisms.

                                but from the posts that everybody in here has made, it seems as though yall see only a few men (Napoleon, Hitler, etc.) as having ambition, as though this trait isnt common to all organisms.
                                "Flutie was better than Kelly, Elway, Esiason and Cunningham." - Ben Kenobi
                                "I have nothing against Wilson, but he's nowhere near the same calibre of QB as Flutie. Flutie threw for 5k+ yards in the CFL." -Ben Kenobi

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