The Dead Horse Rides again: Cap/Com Debate

[Alexander's Horse]

oh - I thought this thread was about me.

[Jon Miller]

so did I...

JM
(or games)

[The Mad Monk]

Yeah, talk about false advertising...

[Alexander's Horse]

it would have been more interesting too

[BeBMan]

Communism has a bright future. I saw it in Star Trek, that episode at the end of the first season of TNG, when the Enterprise found three humans from the 20th (?) century frozen in an old spaceship. They reanimated them, and one was a banker or something, and he wanted to contact his bank about his money stocks and stuff. Picard said that humans do not work anymore to get rich in his time, and that material wealth does not play a role anymore etc.

[Jaguar]

Originally posted by Jon Miller
umm, that was never communism

it was highjacked almost immediately

JM
(it would be like saying, look at the French Revolution, democracy is doomed)

Berz says that Communism lasted 70 years before dying out, and then you say "Lies! This is false! Communism died almost immediately!"

You have a lot to learn about making effective arguments.

[Jaguar]

Originally posted by BeBro
Communism has a bright future. I saw it in Star Trek, that episode at the end of the first season of TNG, when the Enterprise found three humans from the 20th (?) century frozen in an old spaceship. They reanimated them, and one was a banker or something, and he wanted to contact his bank about his money stocks and stuff. Picard said that humans do not work anymore to get rich in his time, and that material wealth does not play a role anymore etc.

If it's on Star Trek, the holy show, savior of all nerd-dom, it must be true.

[Velociryx]

Jag makes an excellent point!

And this, to me, is one of the most amusing aspects of Communism.

'k....here we got a system that they say can ONLY work effectively if it's global in it's scope, right? (one of the few things we can actually get most to agree on)

"Global in its scope" means, by default (one would imagine, at any rate), ONE implementation, yes?

One.

And yet, I don't think we got two reds on this board who have the same vision on WHAT is to be implemented, exactly.

You point to past failures of Big Red, and they quickly backpedal, even going so far as to blaspheme against their Comrades of old "oh no! that's not REAL Communism! What we need is...." And then proceed to trip all over each other like the Keystone-Cops-in-Red, each hawking their own brand of Utopia like it's the best thing since sliced bread.

We got statists who say that there can BE no final commie utopia.

We got purists who say that the statists have not the first clue what they're saying.

We got fruitloops who want spacebots on the darkside of the moon to handle all production, and remove the human element entirely.

In short, the reds, who demand ONE singular implementation of this paradise called Communism, got more "brands" of what they're espousing than Unix has flavors.

These aren't just similar shades of red, either...these are visions of communism that have differences at some pretty fundamental levels.

And they'll be quick to whine, I'm sure, that "well, capitalism has lots of flavors too!"

And that's true.

The difference, however, is that capitalism does not require that the whole world fall under a singular capitalistic umbrella, and so, it can afford to have lots of flavors.

Not true with what they're proposing.

Point to ANY communistic failure in the past, and they'll whine that it's not a fair comparison, cos you know, that wasn't REALLY communism, and certainly not what THEY'RE pushing for.

Must be nice to live in such blissful denial, but I guess everybody needs a cause, right?

-=Vel=-

[monkspider]

Whoever has all the beanie babies wins, and capitalism is winning in this regard.

I however, plan to load a tank full of beanie babies and drive in the street.

[Last Conformist]

che: One might argue that an economic dip per decade is preferable to an economy that's continually at the floor.

[Velociryx]

LC, say it with me "but those weren't REALLY Communism...."



Pick a flavor and let us try again....just....don't pick any of those we've FUBAR'd before...



-=Vel=-

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by monkspider
Whoever has all the beanie babies wins, and capitalism is winning in this regard.

I however, plan to load a tank full of beanie babies and drive in the street.

[Sandman]

The Indian state of Kerala is a communist success story. Their economy isn't so hot, but they have first-world literacy, healthcare, life expectancy, womens's rights and so on.

Their success can be attributed to two things:

1. A strong commitment to democracy.
2. Kerala was protected from American predation by being part of a larger, leftish democracy.

[Jon Miller]

yah

I have read about that

it sounds awesome

JM

[BeBMan]

Originally posted by Jaguar

If it's on Star Trek, the holy show, savior of all nerd-dom, it must be true.

Do I read some sarcasm here? Do you want to imply that Picard is lying?!?!?!