Rational agent. Self Interest.

[Az]

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/afp_asiapacific/view/97380/1/.html

[Kuciwalker]

Huh?

[Last Conformist]

The anti-altruism crowd is gonna say that to the winner, the satisfaction of helping is greater than that he could have derived from anything he could have bought for his millions.

[General Ludd]

And ignore that said satisification is derived from something completely selfless.

[Az]

The anti-altruism crowd is gonna say that to the winner, the satisfaction of helping is greater than that he could have derived from anything he could have bought for his millions.

Which is untrue.

[yaroslav]

[BeBMan]

Edit:

I thought over it, and now I say to the selfish bastard who only wanted to derive satisfaction from helping others

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by General Ludd
And ignore that said satisification is derived from something completely selfless.

It's not selfless. As LC said, he derived happiness from the fact that he was helping others. That's the closest to "selfless" anyone ever comes - getting happiness from others' happiness.

[Last Conformist]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker


It's not selfless. As LC said, he derived happiness from the fact that he was helping others.

I didn't say that. I said that the anti-altruism crowd was going to say that.

[General Ludd]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker


It's not selfless. As LC said, he derived happiness from the fact that he was helping others. That's the closest to "selfless" anyone ever comes - getting happiness from others' happiness.

Yes, that's as close as anyone gets because that's what selflessness is - wanting to see other people happy. Altruism.

[Az]

It's not selfless. As LC said, he derived happiness from the fact that he was helping others. That's the closest to "selfless" anyone ever comes - getting happiness from others' happiness.

He chose the happiness of others over his own ( Imagine what he could do with all that money! ) The fact that he enjoyed it, doesn't mean that he didn't sacrifice his own happiness. After all, he recieved less happiness than he could've. ( Living la vida loca with a million bucks >> feeling good after giving a way a million bucks )

[David Floyd]

*shrug* Things like this just goes to show that private charitable donations can be an effective means of helping others in need, and, given the opportunity, people WILL donate money for charitable causes. Without income taxes, donations would likely be higher - the presence of income taxes, Social Security taxes, etc., is the entire reason why I refuse to donate money. I already AM "donating", at gunpoint.

[Solly]

After all, he recieved less happiness than he could've. ( Living la vida loca with a million bucks >> feeling good after giving a way a million bucks

You really think so?

Besides, the self-interest "altruism is impossible" theorists never stated that one's utility function had to exclude other's utility functions..

[Az]

You really think so?

I am rather sure.

Besides, the self-interest "altruism is impossible" theorists never stated that one's utility function had to exclude other's utility functions.

I don't fully understand what you try to say...


DF: I never claimed that people won't give unless forced to. However, my pov is their help won't be enough.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Park Avenue


You really think so?

Besides, the self-interest "altruism is impossible" theorists never stated that one's utility function had to exclude other's utility functions..

It's simply not included. It's not necessary to state the exclusion. It doesn't even make sense to include atruism in with self-interest.