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Originally posted by Ramo
Portugal decriminalized hard drugs, and they didn't experience any significant increases in drug use, so your claim is unfounded.
IIRC, the Netherlands have a similarly enlightened policy, and similarly have found that legalization creates far fewer problems than illegalization does.
Originally posted by Ming
If I'm not going to get medicare because of some perceived "bad" habit... fine... but then don't make me pay taxes to support it, and we will call it even
It's not a "perceived" "bad" habit, it's a habit that has a known, quantifiable, and detrimental effect on your health, one that would increase the amount of money you would have to claim from medicare. Sorry, no, if you get lung cancer from smoking it's your own fault.
The number of children and teenagers in treatment for marijuana dependence and abuse has jumped 142 percent since 1992, the National Center on Addiction and Substance Abuse at Columbia University reported in April.
And from chegitz:
The article seems to have a flaw. It makes the assumption that teens sent to drug programs for pot use were addicted or were in some kind of trouble, as opposed to simply having been caught.
Bingo! This is an example of how the government and it's cronies mis-inform people. More and more people are given the "option" of "treatment" to avoid the courts and jail (or juvy), then the people who've coerced people into treatment cite the inflated numbers they've created with their coercion as proof of a more sever problem.
If you legalize it, users should be disqualified from medicare.
Yup, lot's of people over 65 smoking pot...the horror...the horror...
It's not a "perceived" "bad" habit, it's a habit that has a known, quantifiable, and detrimental effect on your health, one that would increase the amount of money you would have to claim from medicare. Sorry, no, if you get lung cancer from smoking it's your own fault.
Ingest too much sugar and you can get diabetes. Eat too much and you get fat. Drink too much booze and you get all sorts of related diseases. Now, show that people who are old enough to be on medicare and smoke pot are costing more than everyone else (proportionally of course since there aren't many old people smoking pot).
You sound like these people who "justify" higher taxes on tobacco by claiming smokers cost Medicare more. Where's the proof? If smokers tend to die younger, they have fewer years to make use of Medicare. And since we all die, everyone on Medicare will cost the taxpayers. So, who will cost Medicare more? The smoker who kicks the bucket at the age of 67 or the old woman who lives to 95? C'mon!
this is not proof. Portuguese society is quite different from american society.
Ya ya, whenever we point to other countries that have legalised drugs (quasi or all-out legalisation) to show that legalisation doesn't result in the chicken little predictions, it's always "that's a different culture". Okay, how about American culture? Did you know addiction rates are higher in the US than they were when all drugs were legal? Oh yeah, different time = different culture. So inspite of all the evidence to the contrary, the only proof that is valid is the proof we can only obtain by legalising drugs here and now - catch-22...
Oh yeah, forgot about this little tidbit. Anyone notice how prohibition is driving up the potency just like it did with booze and cocaine? Well, this jump in potency comes from the same people who are claiming the increase in treatment is proof that we need them more than ever, so I'll take it with a grain of salt... But since my pot smoking days are long gone and I'm not into the culture, I have no idea if the potency is greater now or not... But I do know some of the stuff I did smoke ~20 years ago was really potent... Opiumated Thai stick (yum), N Californian skunk weed (sweet), etc...
I see a string of five posts without Diss contradicting anything
And you want to exclude people who use from getting Medicare. Does that mean you want to allow them out of Medicare taxes?
No, because the medicare money is supposed to go to people who deserve it (on the theory that those who cannot help their ailments have a right to demand treatment from society - something I'm not necessarily supporting, but since it's here we might as well deal with it), so not deserving the money doesn't remove your obligation as a member of society to provide that right.
No, because the medicare money is supposed to go to people who deserve it (on the theory that those who cannot help their ailments have a right to demand treatment from society - something I'm not necessarily supporting, but since it's here we might as well deal with it), so not deserving the money doesn't remove your obligation as a member of society to provide that right.
*Emperor Fabulous remembers seeing that more people want to legalize marijuana for medical purposes, and thinks that, perhaps if legalized, those on medicare may receive marijuana as treatment*
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