Stupid Commie-Appeasing "Sunshine" Policy

[Kuciwalker]

Hitting it

[Ted Striker]

[Drake Tungsten]

Open mouth, insert foot, close mouth.

Learn more Korean history at this period first, mmmkay?

The **** has spoken...

[Vince278]

I know what you mean Boshko. I lived there myself 10 years ago. The longer the "peace" is the more people forget why there was fighting in the first place. We have too many short-term thinkers in this long-term world.

[Sikander]

Originally posted by paiktis22
for example:

ellada kypros palestini
amerikanos den 8a meinei

(greece cyprus palestine, not one american alive (or left) )

foniades ton laon amerikanoi
(killers of peoples americans)

aera aera na fygei i holera
(air, air so that the cholera leaves)


i'm sure they must have tons of those

That reminds me of one of my favorites:

All Greeks Must Die!

[Shi Huangdi]

Originally posted by Urban Ranger


Open mouth, insert foot, close mouth.

Learn more Korean history at this period first, mmmkay?

Wow. I am floored by this stellar display of amazing logic. Clearly, you have done a superb job of rebutting Kuciwalker's points with devestating logic and compelling evidence. You are a true master of debate.

[Bosh]

Originally posted by Urban Ranger
Learn more Korean history at this period first, mmmkay?

So you dispute that South Korea is better off today than it would have been without US intervention? You should learn more about Korean history of this period.

I know what you mean Boshko. I lived there myself 10 years ago.

Wow, Korea must have been really different 10 years ago. I almost never run into foreigners who were in Korea that long ago (except for one drunk old guy who kept telling me he was wearing "taliban glasses"). Probably no PC Bangs and squat-toilets everywhere I can hardly imagine a Korea where everyone doesn't have cell phones

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by Boshko
So you dispute that South Korea is better off today than it would have been without US intervention? You should learn more about Korean history of this period.

First of all, there would be no South Korea or North Korea. Just one Korea. Secondly, seeing that how North Korea had better quality of life all the way up till the mid-1970's, I don't see why not.

Less money would be put into military and more into economic development. Also, there is no sign that a unified Korea wouldn't moderate, just like Vietnam and the PRC.

[Bosh]

First of all, there would be no South Korea or North Korea.

Right, because the North would've conquered the whole lot.

Secondly, seeing that how North Korea had better quality of life all the way up till the mid-1970's, I don't see why not.

Well things changed just a little bit after the mid-1970's. Do you think there was even a slightest chance for a communist Korea to have dulplicated the South's economic boom? I sure as hell don't.

Also keep in mind that the South was devestated more by the war and the North has far far far more useful natural resources than the South and vastly more industry was built there under Japanese occupation.

Less money would be put into military and more into economic development. Also, there is no sign that a unified Korea wouldn't moderate, just like Vietnam and the PRC.

Right, life would be better for the 1/3 of the Korean population in the North for those reasons. But life would've been much worse than the 2/3 of Koreans in the South.

I think that even without the destruction of the Korean war, Korean communism would've been a lot loonier than most forms of communism (even worse than Mao's idiocies probably). Just compare it to Cuba, which has had America breathing down its back to decades. Cuba is a model for Latin American literacy, health care etc. While in the North there is rampant meglomania and a form of communism (ÁÖü/Juche) which is Marxism perverted beyond beyond the wildest dreams of Stalin, to the point of combining all the worst qualites of communism and organized religion. Also from what I've heard from someone who's talked to many North Koreans who're working temporarily on the Chinese side of the border is that inequality of the sexes in the North is horrific. The list just goes on and on.

Even ignoring the especially wacky nature of Korean communism, the fact that North Korean communism was imposed from the outside rather than taking control due to its own popularity like in China and thus had less of a social base and the fact that reform probably would not have happened until the death of Kim Il Sung in 1994, which doesn't leave much time for reform to get much done, I very much doubt that Korea could've surpassed China's current $5,000 Per Capital PPP (which is five times N. Korea's), which is less than a third of South Korea.

Also, on my part, I've seen a good number of clips of North Korean kids and the robotic way in which they're forced to act just makes me shudder when I think of my students living under that kind of regime.

And finally, as has been said before its a bit surreal to blame the South and its allies refusal to let the North walk over them for the North's problems.

[Agathon]

As if the US would withdraw from Korea if there were unification. They are there for their own reasons, some bigwig admitted as much a couple of years ago.

I happen to like the Koreans I've met, and their football team did everyone the service of knocking the Italians out of the last World Cup, so cut them some slack.

[Saras]

Originally posted by Urban Ranger


First of all, there would be no South Korea or North Korea. Just one Korea. Secondly, seeing that how North Korea had better quality of life all the way up till the mid-1970's, I don't see why not.

Less money would be put into military and more into economic development. Also, there is no sign that a unified Korea wouldn't moderate, just like Vietnam and the PRC.

Probably the worst case of reality denial since I registered. Right up there with "Tiananmen did not happen. That's #1 and #2, way to go, UR.

[DanS]

He's developed a specialty for it.

[Bosh]

Originally posted by Agathon
As if the US would withdraw from Korea if there were unification. They are there for their own reasons, some bigwig admitted as much a couple of years ago.

I happen to like the Koreans I've met, and their football team did everyone the service of knocking the Italians out of the last World Cup, so cut them some slack.

The US is already in the process of moving about a third of its troops out of South Korea, with this already happening its ridiculous to contend that this trend wouldn't be accelerated if there was unification. Especially considering that Korea pays 35%ish percent of the costs of US troops and they wouldn't continue doing this after unificaton, the US would have plenty of reasons to pull out at least the bulk of the troops and not much incentive to keep 'em around.

[Kuciwalker]

I UR pwnage.

[Last Conformist]

Hell everything from numbers, to the cardinal directions is based on Chinese so that the North is working on is as ridiculous as radomly scrapping English words that was coined after 1066 and making up neologisms to fill in the spaces and then fall this preserving traditional English.

English purged of post-1066 vocabulary is known as "Ander-Saxon", after Poul Anderson, who wrote an article on atomic theory in it. Wikipedia article