Philippines bends over and spreads 'em wide

[Boris Godunov]

I'm constantly amazed--although I shouldn't be--at some people's belief that international relations should be based on a system of "You owe us, man!" As if the U.S. ever adhered to such a system itself. We certainly didn't treat the Spanish that way.

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by Ted Striker
Explain to me why they invited our troops back last year?

Dumbass.

Duh

The government invited back free help. I notice they haven't signed any more 99 year leases on military bases for you though.

Dumbass.

[Imran Siddiqui]

The Philippine colony wasn't treated as an equal, there was a tremendous amount of racism

Um... it was perhaps the only colony where natives were given supervisory roles over 'whites'. When you have native people in charge of Engineering, ordering white Americans what to do, I'd say that is pretty equal. That isn't even mentioning that the Governors of the Phillipines (including William Howard Taft) asked local Filipino elites about policy before enacting something.

Secondly, I said AFTER the revolt. The Aguinaldo revolt was your cookie cutter guerilla war, where atrocities were done on both sides. Afterwards Americans built up the country and modernized it, actually taking into account what the people who lived there wanted. Filipinos were not anti-American in that period of time in any way. Sure, there were some groups who wanted independance, but they went through it non-violently and through appeals to the Governor and Congress.

Oh, and Ted is right about the US leaving the Phillipines. It was always an intention to leave the Phillipines after the time and effort was put in to make them self-solvent. The annexation of the Phillipines was HIGHLY contested at the time and the only reason it passed was because of the argument that if we turn them independant, Spain or Britain will just take them over again. At that point it was agreed that the Phillipines should have their independance at the first time when it was feasible to do so.

the "revolt" was a full-scale revolution

It is only considered 'Revolution' when the revolting win. We don't call the period between 1861-65 as the Southern Revolution.

[Ted Striker]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse


The government invited back free help. I notice they haven't signed any more 99 year leases on military bases for you though.

Dumbass.

That's nice, though still refuted as recent history shows, and beside the point.

Ask the average Filipinos opinion on Americans and see what they say. Since you Canadians are bootstrapping us, you get the same benefits.

They say they still love us


Dumbass

[Dinner]

BTW Just a bit of fact here but they were withdrawing their forces at the end of the month any way. I believe they have a grand total of 45 soldiers in theater and most of them are medical and/or support personnel who never left base and who never got near any fighting.

[Dinner]

BTW They did offer us additional leases for military bases. They just demanded way something like 10 times what we intially offered so rather then pay we packed up. I've also heard that several members of the Phillipines Congress would love to have the bases back to help their districts economies.

[Seeker]

I fear we may discover that he has already been killed.

After all, he was just 'random foreigner' maybe they never seriously expected the demands to be listened to.

[Agathon]

I remember reading re: the conquest of the Phillipines that some American poltician had said the point of the conquest was to Christianize the Filipinos who had been Roman Catholics for 300 years.

Anyway, to the Phillipines for getting out of the bull**** war.

[SnowFire]

Uh, that would be the president, Agathon, I'm pretty sure. While we're discussing the old Phillipines issue, I've always wondered why we didn't do the same with them as we did with Cuba- you have your own nominally independent government that signs an alliance with the US, gives up their own foreign policy, and allows us to build a few military bases. Vaguely British Commonwealthy-style.

[SpencerH]

Re: Philippines bends over and spreads 'em wide

Originally posted by KrazyHorse
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b) You don't negotiate with terrorists. If somebody takes a Canadian hostage I hope the Canadian government has the good sense to do everything to get him back safely except for acceding to the demands of his kidnapers

Bon Chance

I cant claim to know every incident (not by a long shot) but the ones I know about where Canadians were held under false pretences, the Canadian govt has shown all the fortitude of a bowl of rice pudding (and that was back when a few canadian politicians actually had some backbone.

[MichaeltheGreat]

Re: Philippines bends over and spreads 'em wide

Originally posted by KrazyHorse

http://www.cbc.ca/stories/2004/07/12/world/delacruz040712

a) As much as I disagreed with the Iraq war, those who supported it have a moral obligation to stick it out now. They invaded the country, destroyed all existing legal, military and political structure and thus must stay until they've gotten Iraq back on its feet

b) You don't negotiate with terrorists. If somebody takes a Canadian hostage I hope the Canadian government has the good sense to do everything to get him back safely except for acceding to the demands of his kidnapers

to the Philippines

Like the Philippines should give a **** about Iraq. 50 "humanitarian" troops after the invasion doesn't make an invasion, let alone destruction of anything.

Bushie needed a show of "support" so if the Phils did any bending over and spreading wide, it was for Bush and making a token "contribution" to a foreign war they had no reason to give a **** about, let alone get involved in.

And NOOOOOOOO, we should NEVER DEAL WITH TERRORISTS - the good ol' US of A would never stoop to that, oh, um, Col. North, the messenger from the Ayatollah is here to see you, sir.

I guess all the good Amurkins who are condemning the spineless Flips should have similarly harsh opinions for the Reagan administration and Ollie North.

[MichaeltheGreat]

Originally posted by SnowFire
Uh, that would be the president, Agathon, I'm pretty sure. While we're discussing the old Phillipines issue, I've always wondered why we didn't do the same with them as we did with Cuba- you have your own nominally independent government that signs an alliance with the US, gives up their own foreign policy, and allows us to build a few military bases. Vaguely British Commonwealthy-style.

The Philippines are full of little brown people. There were enough white-enough looking people in Cuba that we could decide they were almost like a white country. If you think that's harsh or a troll, I invite you to read the pleadings by the United States government in the insular cases.

[GhengisFarb™]

Originally posted by Agathon
This thread title is a slur against catamites.

Catamites are those rock outcroppings that hang down from caverns, correct?

Oh, dumbass. (Not directed at anyone, I just felt left out as I appeared to be the only one who hadn't said dumbass in this thread.)

[Agathon]

I just wanted to express my admiration for Michael's posts.

[MichaeltheGreat]

You're diminishing their impact.